West Bank, Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights are NOT the part of the orignal Israeli state created through the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 in Nov 29, 1947. These are the occupied territories during the 1967 six day war. As per all the international laws as well as the common sense, the inhabitants of the occupied territories have all the rights to drive away the occupying forces. So saying that palestinians are terrorists is nothing but ignorance from the international laws. Many of the posters dont have a clue of Resolution 181 (why bother reading) as well as of UN charter. Why Afghans were “Mujahideen” when they were fighting against the USSR and now “terrorists” when they are fighting against the so called allied forces? Palestinians have done everything, from armed resitance to the peaceful negotiation to regain their rights to live in the land that belongs to them. Even in 2006, Hamas took part in elections and won popular support of palestinians overwhelmingly. The same countries who dont get tired of preaching democracy to others refused to recognise the mendate and toppled the democratically elected Hamas Governemnt. Its easy to say that people chose hamas so face the consequences (how shameful, so the people should be killed for making a choice?) nobody asks, why they chose Hamas over PLO? Ghaza was in humanitarian crisis for last one year, people were denied of food and medicines, men, women and children dying and here people are calling THEM terrorists. People who think that by using these inhumane tacticts, Hamas will loose its support have no clue of human psychology.

If we cant make sensible judgment on who is defending and who is occupying, the least we can do is to stick to the topic and not bring these issues in here. There are other forums where people can exercise their hateret for people of other religion and race.

The last two decades have muddied the water here a little, in the form of islamist militancy whoms aims are not the liberation of the Palistinian people, but the removal of the state of Israel from any map of the Middle East.

There words not mine:D

The Iranians ( whom arm and support Hamas ) make no secret of it, and it is this that lies beneath everything that we are now seeing. If you want Hamas to stop, then you need to keep one of their phonelines to Tehran open, since it is there, the order needs to come from.

Im still interested in the details of Iranian financed Aircraft deal the Syrians signed a few years ago. What is its present status?, have deliveries begun and of what types?

I seem to remmember MiG-31’s being mentioned?