GOKONEPOPHAM 2011: MORE PICS / No.9 SQN DISBAND
I’ll take the cheese every time, its making me hungry too. Well what was it then? I can always ask the old white haired guy when next I see him, who always comes up with interesting items, he was at Shoreham too and I had a nice shot of him some years ago in our newsletter when he sold a Seahawk nose cone to someone who promptly put it on his head when it started raining.
The old chap has a Brittania cockpit or similar I think and its all complete apart from a control yoke, he’s still looking for one. He probably went to one of the places you mention as I imagine he gets around various places over the course of a season and good luck to him too. He sold me the attached F4 lump 4 years ago now at Poppington too, I must do something with it one day. Right I must away, pack up time!
Beers
Don’t know how to post something without clicking on a previous mail, so here goes –
Pic 1: Preparing for the off to Poppington on the Friday, with suitable beer provision that Scott of the Antarctic would have appreciated. Yes the outside one is empty, but I wouldn’t have forgiven myself if I hadn’t tested at least one of the ‘Royal’ beers first for the clear benefit of the later Pophamite beneficiaries.
Pic 2: Quite why the ‘Heavy duty hanger for incontinence trousers with ‘GGG’ bra size end hooks’ didn’t sell is beyond me, as this is the only one I have spotted to date.
Pic 3: Hopefully this lap strap will be usable on Flixton’s cut-away Canberra project and will help to dress a seat nicely.
Pic 4: Ejector aficionado Nick Parker loved the Gnat ejector poster and this period Jaguar example will also make a useful backdrop to any aviation display – how we could do with this ‘hot & high’ aircraft now in Afghanistan, rest easy you ‘Flying Can Openers’.
Pic 5: The Piston Provost made a lovely pass over the airfield, veering away from an imaginary flypast that should have been at the royal wedding – come on you Avro fans!
Pic 6: Kit, lovely kit – the grey F4 horseshoe pack top right was actually for sale last year and Nick snapped this up 2nd time around.
Pic 7: How wonderful to see one of the original top dealers of the nineties and earlier, Mike Shaw, making a welcome return to the main tent. Mike is making a successful comeback from a major illness and two weeks before thought he wouldn’t be able to make it, but luckily he felt well enough at the last minute to come along and stall out. We had checked the table names during the rock evening on Saturday but could find no trace of a desk in his name, so a marvellous surprise to see him on the Monday with quality kit and instrumentation as ever – this included astro-sighting kit from MR3 Nimrods and ‘707 AWAC’s aircraft, all in their original metal cases, and in the case of the MR3, with a torch also.
Pic 8: The chap (wearing cap) who originally bought the USAF Thunderbirds pic from Hindenberg, with some of his stall offer on the day, including this lovely Nimrod MR2 model, as first spotted at Shoreham.
Pic 9: A lovely flying model of a Hunter in the main marquee which must have made Tony D drool. It had a bit of skin ripple on the wing covering but was very well made and quite what engine originally powered it on the rear I don’t know. I heard it went below £100 in negotiations though what its eventual price evolved to I know not either – lovely attention grabber though, and in a better vein than Tim McSplurgle.
Pic 10: Some Bakerlite seats by Martin Bakerlite & Co. Not sure what they’re from but will make someone happy with their cockpit project.
FINALLY – I had a call today from RG Durrant to say that a diamond 9 of Tonka’s flew over Marham today as No.9 Sqn disbanded – when will these contractions stop?
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GOKONEstanderwick or cheddar?
That USAF Thunderbirds picture was Mine…sold at standerwick or cheddar ??
I’ll take the cheese every time, its making me hungry too. Well what was it then? I can always ask the old white haired guy when next I see him, who always comes up with interesting items, he was at Shoreham too and I had a nice shot of him some years ago in our newsletter when he sold a Seahawk nose cone to someone who promptly put it on his head when it started raining.
The old chap has a Brittania cockpit or similar I think and its all complete apart from a control yoke, he’s still looking for one. He probably went to one of the places you mention as I imagine he gets around various places over the course of a season and good luck to him too. He sold me the attached F4 lump 4 years ago now at Poppington too, I must do something with it one day. Right I must away, pack up time!
Beers
GOKONEKEEPING IT COMING
Great Blog there Garry! Keep it coming!:)
That’s what we said to McSplurgle, but by this time of course he was down to only his emergency underpants and an old copy of Flight magazine.
I have to get home shortly unfortunately as I slept on the sofa after 2.30am at the office last night so I could sort the Mac and had to dump various images including 3 original wedding folders and a Surrey Proms event. All this proved no great reward for my retouching skills and the weddings included comped-in Vic formations of Lancs and Vulcans over a well-known racecourse along with step-repeated airliners over the exotic Gatwick sky backdrop.
While there were many attractive fillies and many unsuitable young suitors at the Proms event I found that retouching the various boils, zits, spots etc on the pubescent faces of various otherwise attractive young ladies was good practice, but the payment I received means I won’t be doing it again and a contact recommended a prog add-on that takes much of the drudgery out of the occasion.
Having to copy and comp in a full set of teeth for the groom of one budget wedding in particular (reception was in the car park of a local pub) was also quite a learning experience I recall and I can’t imagine that a prog exists to do this – but the before and after shots that I juxtaposed in running order were well received.
Unfortunately the brides middle teeth were so twisted and gappy that it looked odder when I attempted some P’Shop magic, that I had to leave well alone, and looking back on it all I suppose its all part of that gloriously complex tapestry that we call crap.
Fear not Riders of Popham, ‘ere the passing of night I will return with more treasures from the underworld of beer and car and aeroboot passing. Some may remind and recall the glory of the old order of Jet Age spares before their destruction on passing into the demented and unreturnable Dark Age frag-realm of M.A.S. which entered into the world of men as devised by the Dark Tory Lords, thus preventing us from enjoying dealers buying and distributing aviation spares to us, as already paid for by our taxes, and as warned of in the 90’s by High Lord Provider Nevilus Martinius, a prophecy which came true as so much Jet-age kit got scrapped by underlings and sloths that knew not what they were scrapping or cared little thereof. Remember the S & Garfunkel legend of Old fellow preservers:
“Time it was,
and what a time it was,
A time of innocence, a time of no e-bay business;
Long ago it must be,
I have a photograph;
Preserve your aero kit,
‘Tis all that’s left you”
I will post some more pics and comments soonest, might even run on with some Shoreham stuff too, but I must answer the other chap below before I go. I will leave you with a ‘Non-Doctuered’ image of a strange trick of the light at Popham before night fell that fateful flatulent night, when animals stirred and ran away wailing into the dense and secret crisp-bag Blumenthal undergrowth, before the evil stench of the McSplurgle abomination befell the airfield and small strange brown clumps appeared next day, into which no living thing would grow. I wonder if David Vincent is still around to deal with those pesky aliens on those ‘cold, dark lonely nights…’
This is all getting quite surreal which is a good time to say good night all and its probably a Stag Chill-Con tonight for quickness tonight, but unlike McSplurgle be assured that I will be in the comfort of my own home dear readers, with a “Kiss me Kate”…
GOKONEPOPHAM & BITZZZZZ MAY 2011
Hello Tony, I think it was a UK Chinook, the guy also had a Wessex stick top and I bought a Lynx collective off him a couple of years ago. How does one tell? XV806, yes it was, good to sort of meet you! Firefly sounds interesting.
Nice to see some kit and stuff so here’s some pics wot I took from the weekend, we stayed from Saturday onwards at this annual Mayfly event that always goes too quickly (VERY chilly 1st thing at 7.00am too for a towny). The best band for years (although some previous outfits have been very unintentionally entertaining and funny) played on Saturday and it was rock heyday time with covers of stalwarts like Free, Bad Company, AC/DC, Kinks, Who, Beatles, Stones, Queen, Thin Lizzy (one of the all-time twin-axe attacks) with no Hip-Hop-Top-Shop-Garage-Garbage crap whatsoever, as offered by erks who can’t sing or play instruments whatsoever. I wish Sundays could have a gig too, but that’s by laws for you.
The first night saw our customary takeaway brought in from the nearby Red Fort curry house, but with a prior big fear of ‘tinnies’ being dominant this year due to money concerns and ASDA & Tesco upping their beer offers to £1.79-85 per 500ml. Stone me if Liddl’s didn’t come to the rescue with two corkers via Shepherd & Neame and Marston’s at 99p each. These had to be ferried over a week back to my home from Wanstead. Then on the Friday night Lo! ASDA had a royal wedding celebration offer with “Kiss Me Kate” & “Perfect Union”- again, 99p a 500ml bottle.
All was set fair then, and on Saturday the first of many empty bottles began to accrue in time-honoured fashion. A gentleman whom we have taken on board to our august gathering for the last 2 years who sells car spares, duly joined us again, but after the traditional general banter and quaffing in the evening after our meal he mysteriously slunk away quite suddenly and drove off in his car, only to appear somewhat sheepishly around 30 mins later. He confessed that shortly after his curry, and whilst preferring rosé wine as he does, he had inadvertently failed to control himself due to his self-inflicted mixture while attempting to add to the UK’s methane emissions, and had in fact “followed through” somewhat disastrously.
This had taken some time to put right before his eventual return to our gathering, and gradually as the night wore on into the main tent and the rock classics that unfolded, it came to pass that a steady stream of inventive and highly original one liners followed from our good selves with a toilet/WW2 bent, whereby we grew increasingly more creative in our ad-libs while seized by mirth and stomach cramping laughter, in our gleeful and lurid descriptions of his earlier mishap. The name ‘Tim McSplurgle’ also became pronounced, and duly stuck – and with the same memorable degree of unforgettable adhesion I might add, as his earlier mishap.
After much frivolity and singing along with the band we eventually retired for some more 3.8-4% beers of impressive depth (though not obviously equal to the browning depth experienced by the splendid ‘McSplurgle’s Own’ trouser-ruining rear of misfortune). After this, we retired to the wind break of our vehicles (and away from the potentially ruinous breaking of McSplurgle’s replacement trousers) and decided that we had had our fill – rather like McSplurgles’s underpants earlier on.
At 6.00am I awoke for a No.1 and got chatting to a dozing colleague in his estate, and we reminisced ourselves of the many jokes and double entendres that had gone off (like McSplurgle’s earlier uncontrollable release) just one short evening before, causing us to explode into laughter again at the aptness of their sentiments, so that we were both in agonised tears again before the day had even begun- ‘Tim McSplurgle’ of ‘The Channel Dash’, we salute you.
It was a bit slow for many sellers though some were pleased by close of play Monday, but most found it hard I think; many came to browse or try their luck at haggling as usual amongst the die-hard collectors, but many dealers were simply not in the mood, fuel is obviously just one issue in these Harrier/MR3/MRA4/Dominie-less days now for many- the navy’s not doing too well either. Sunday early evening was frisbee time, by this point our faces were glowing with the non-stop wind which made itself felt incessantly, I can never recall it being quite like it since coming to Popham over 15 years ago.
Some light rain on Sunday would have been good if a bit longer in duration, as after the main Monday event, as dealers left and we were last after waiting for a final curry, the loose earth and topsoil was blowing all over us and onto our packed kit, it was a relief to leave at last and we were very redin spite of wearing hats. It was a good final day during which enough aviation fiends found suitable treasures of V-Bomber, Harvard, Beaufort, Tiger Moth and others, and with a good amount of ephemera too. The Hampshire helicopter people were also a welcome sight and what a nice day to do it on.
Similar fund-raising opportunity could be realised by other charities or people wishing to display cockpits like this – S’ton’s Solent Sky museum for example is only 20 miles away and could have made some good funding inroads by bringing along its Spitfire replica and leaflets on a sunny day like the bank holiday Monday. Having failed to maximise its potential and improve its offer to the public more effectively within the space at its current location at Albert Road in S’ton for many years now, a simple effort like this would show that it is being more pro-active to improve its own financial contribution towards the move appeal to the new ‘Aeronautica’ project. Appealing to funding concerns and partnerships is all very well but this will take time, so that to be seen to be raising money and awareness directly for the new museum appeal would be a positive, especially in the current climate.
The day was made by the circulating news also of Bin’s demise by U.S. special forces amid conjecture as to how Pakistan was going to explain itself in having him quite near to the capital while more tellingly amongst the many military establishments close by – including their own version of Sandhurst. Cammo might wonder now at that £650m he gave that country last month, which was for child education while ours are struggling to learn the 3 ‘R’s as it is. £650m could have run quite a few Harriers out in Afghanistan for a year or so to the Brit army’s great relief – what a boon though, if McSplurgle could somehow turn out to be a new secret and cost-effective green (or perhaps brown) biological weapon in the struggle of the west against the forces of terror.
My computer is almost out of memory so I must away to ready for a big day of copying tomorrow, but here’s some record of the day, if all goes well I’ll post some more unless this is enough for people.
GOKONEVULCAN CDT – FITTING OUT AS INTERACTIVE
Thanks GOKONE, nice to see they are all intact like you said.
I dont know personally if other CDT’s were at Scampton and Finningley, but hopefully someone will be able to recall something, yours certainly sounds like the last surviving one from what I can judge after looking at an old Vulcan Cockpits listing.
I remember seeing on a website a shot of a kitted out pilot exiting a Vulcan CDT while training some years ago, might have been on the ‘558 site or a Vulcan site, but its a shame that the others didn’t survive as they are relatively light and as you can still get kit for them they would make good exhibits for adults and kids alike.
It would be relatively easy to deepen the rear stb’d exit to rear-crew level and make it a ‘walk’-thru’ exhibit like the B.1 example at Cosford, though I would only make it ‘in’ and ‘out’ from the stb’d side only, with an overseer to preside over and explain things to visitors.
The potential to make it a ‘live’ and more interactive example re displays and audio-visual adds to the appeal and a sound system with pilots talking to the control tower and doing take-off checks etc in the background would add to an atmosphere of winking lights and illuminated radar sets etc, especially in the rear crew positions.
GOKONEVULCAN CDT REAR DESK PIC
It might have been a ‘Quote’ reply which dosen’t give you the paper clip option, as opposed to a ‘Post Reply’ response, will have to look out for that – here’s the pic anyway.
Cheers
GOKONEVULCAN CDT
There’s been a lot of the history of the CDT in this thread but what about the future, any plans? It looks like it would make a good exhibit in a museum, the interior would be accessible without having to climb fifteen feet. It’s a shame for it to be hidden away.
I KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO CREATE A DISPLAY BOARD AREA BELOW THE PILOTS IN THE EMPTY AREA UP TO THE FRONT OF THE BOMB AIMERS POSITION, USING THE VERTICAL SUPPORTS BELOW AS MOUNTING POINTS, WITH A MONITOR SCREEN THAT COULD SHOW CD’S ALONG WITH PHOTOGRAPHS AND CAPTIONING.
AFTER COLLECTING MANY OF THE INTERNAL PARTS A REAL COCKPIT CAME ALONG HOWEVER SO THE CDT IS SURPLUS TO REQUIREMENTS NOW AND I’D LIKE TO FIND IT A HOME THAT WILL TAKE UP THE BATON AND GIVE IT COVER AND AS ALSO MENTIONED IN PREVIOUS MAILS, FIND A RADOME TO MAKE IT ‘WHOLE’ ONCE MORE.
IT WOULD NEED FITTING OUT WITH REAL KIT AT FRONT, THOUGH BELOW THE PANELS WOULD TAKE SOME DOING AS THERE IS NO MAJOR RUDDER BAR ASSEMBLY OR PEDALS FITTED, BUT ITS A REAL COCKPIT WITH CORRECT DIMENSIONS ETC SO THE REAR AND FRONT COULD BE INSTRUMENTED IN TIME, WITH RACKING CONSTRUCTED TO TAKE THE REAR PANELS AND RELATED BLACK BOXES ETC.
(SORRY ABOUT CAPS, JUST LOOKED UP TO FIND THEY WERE LOCKED ON)
Have attached a pic of rear desk which is very clean and waiting for a suitable fitting-out operation to commence one day, the simulator rear metal panels were not to production standard and were ‘fitted out’ with photos only. The three rear seats are intact as per the front ejector examples and the pilot’s ladder to the cockpit area intact.
Incidentally without wanting to start another thread, a friend in Norfolk has mailed me to say he can’t make Shoreham aeromart due to the fuel cost let alone pitch fees while another couple in Warcs can’t make it either due to the same consideration so we’ll have to see how many outside the London counties catchment area attend on 26th.
Cheers
NB Have just noticed again that there is no paper clip symbol at top to attach anything, only a URL envelope symbol is available which is no good as the image is on my computer – I’ll have to try sending pic separately.
GOKONEVULCAN CDT PICS- Ex-Waddington
Welcome to the forums.
I’d sure love to see some pictures of her if you have any to share?
Hi,
Here are some interior shots, 1st is looking forward to port from behind the 1st pilot’s seat, the 2nd one is between the seats looking towards the centre engine panel – this is a photo too like other instrumentation.
The black ‘T’ shape in the floor is the shaped hole where the pilots centre fuel management panel would have sat.
GOKONEVULCAN CDT – REAR CREW SEAT PICS
Hi,
Yes i found some shots over weekend, there’s one by itself by the rear fuselage egress cut-out on the starboard (radar op) side, plus looking over to port with the different rear centre seat still intact too, think the original drill instructions are still taped to the seats.
The three rear green seats where the AEO and Rad/Nav etc used to sit had the inflatable cushions to help them out of their seats – must have been a nightmare to get out of those in a spinning/diving Vulcan with G-forces hindering you and the crew door being behind and below you.
GOKONEVICTOR UPDATES
Hi Gary,
Feel free to use anything from my posts in your newsletter, i am still on the team just unable to dedicate all the time I would wish to it anymore!
Thanks for getting in touch. In terms of appeals, we are looking for the wiring diagrams for the Victor installation of the OMEGA nav system as the RAF helpfully took a hacksaw to the loom when they removed it. We have both ends and the boxes but need to know how to sow it all back together. Unfortunately it isn’t in our Vol10s for some reason, if you have a Vol10 could have a peek and see if its in there, a photocopy would be fine of the appropriate page!
Also we need two pod panels that have the proper looms on to get the wing pods fully functional! The ones we have in don’t have any looms and are gash wired for lighting only
Many Thanks
Ollie
Many thanks Ollie, will get it sorted in due course and advise our webmaster. I don’t have a Vol 10 but yes I’ve been looking out for loomed-up pod panels for Andre for some time, we’ll see what this year’s aeromarts bring up. Lovely to see the Nimrod up there now and another cold war plus for the museum, what a tragedy the MRA4 isn’t coming into service now – have had to edit quite a bit of it to fit it in the March newsletter, another political foul-up for company UK.
What a disgusting waste of tax-payers money, and more red tape impending from Europe to waste billions more of UK business revenue – Dave says he’ll cut red tape but dosen’t mention that Parliament PASSES all we get inflicted on us – so Parliament must cut out our ownOWN self-inflicted red-tape wounds AND tell Europe what rubbish we won’t accept from it – but will we?
GOKONELINDY V.A. WEB FEATURE
Hi All,
In response to the requests for information on what we are currently doing on XL231 I will update this thread as and when work happens. Just to give a quick update of 2007s work and the current work in 2008.
The vast majority of 2007s work focused on the Flight Instruments and associated systems which on the victor is known collectively as the Military Flight System (MFS). We had a problem with the director horizons that started in early 2006 that meant that they were not indicating correctly, showing strange bank angles etc. We checked everything, the wiring, the gyros, the instruments themselves, the vertical gyros that control the horizons, all to no avail! We were on the verge of giving up when over a year after the original fault we acquired a full MFS test set and finally found that it was an item called a erection switching unit that was at fault. This unit controls the power supplies to the gyros and the faulty unit was not providing the right amount of power to one of the gyros, meaning that it was not running up to full speed (which is meant to happen within 30 seconds of power being applied), hence the crazy indications. Much celebration ensued after the unit was replaced with a bagged spare, power was applied and the horizons correctly erected! We also took the opportunity whilst the test set was out to test all the other components of the MFS and found all other components to be working correctly and within tollerances. Usual maintenance was continuing during this time with engine and APU runs etc happening.
The airshow happened as usual in 2007, but once again we had a spurious fire warning on number 4, which caused us more headaches! Once again though it was just damp on the firewire caused by heavy rain, and it hasn’t returned since! It must be an airshow thing! After the airshow we took all the rear crew seats out of the Jet and fully painted and restored them, so they now look like new, we also did some panel refurbishment in the cockpit whilst the seats were out and access was available.
Towards the end of 2007 our new “project” arrived after months of negotiation. Myself and the owner travelled down to the very friendly people at Flight Refuelling at Wimborne Dorset and collected our lovely, shiny, fully serviceable Mk17 Hose Drum Unit Refuelling Package. We have been after one of these since the RAF nicked it just before XL231 retired. Once it is installed the aircraft will be absolutely 100% complete and functional. Just ready to fill in the tanker gap for the RAF 🙂
The HDU is our current project and will be installed in the next week or two! Otherwise we would be bored as everything else is perfectly fine apart from some dicky bomb bay fuel gauges! We do have plans however to do a full corrosion prevention programme this year however to save us work in the future.
I will post photos when I can find my camera to computer lead!!
Any questions please ask away!
Ollie
Hi Ollie,
LINDY V.A. WEB FEATURE
I can’t get Andre on his usual e-mail address so thought I’d mail you direct now that I’ve managed to tick all the right boxes on this forum. We’ve featured Lindy over the years in the Victor Association newsletter and sourced various spares for her also including the current centre HDU panel with plumbing attached.
Our webmaster and ex-RAF man Dave mailed me some time ago to say that if agreeable we would love to have any submitted pics and updates that we can upload to our site. These could be sent on to me as and when, or failing this I can download your pics and cut and paste the info as I’ve done in our newsletter over the years from Andre’s e-mails to me.
We’ve opened up a new section to cover ‘Lindy and have added some of the older stories going back to the 90’s, with some more to come. The newer material would be ideal to bring it all up to date though, and making it a regular source of info on ‘231.
Some current images would be good but I also found XL231 updates from 2005-09 on this link below by yourself with excellent pics and techy stuff on Flypast Forum awhile back. If it saves you time I would like to use this stuff also to upload to our Lindy section if this is all OK with all concerned.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=78402&page=5
APPEAL NOTICES
I note you need a new RWR head and have an appeal out and we can also run an appeal ourselves in tandem, as well as for anything else you might be running short on, so let’s see if we can reach a wider audience together and we can always include a link to you too if its a help.
Let me know when convenient if this sounds OK anyway and our webmaster Dave will be happy to put something together for you using your text and images on the above link initially, we have monthly site news updates and it could also be highlighted there for you in addition.
Cheers,
Garry, Editor Victor Assoc.
“May the V-Force be with You”
GOKONEVULCAN CDT: INSIDE SHOTS
That’s a really interesting piece of aviation history…
I’ve never seen such a trainer before, is it the whole cockpit?
Were these just for escape training, or did any instrument / operational training take place in them?
Would love to see more photos of it…
Cheers, Scott
Hi Scott, here’s a shot of the pilot’s seats I thought you’d like to see, they seem to be all mechanically complete aside from straps. There’s also one I took looking rearwards underneath the Stb’d crew seat towards the inner bulkhead, this shows some wiring running from the inverter inside and some other pipework that might give you some electrical clues.
GOKONEI was only thinking about the degree of realism that the training went to… ie: disconnecting all hoses etc… in order to escape.
I’ve been through the ‘Bosiet’ helicopter escape training course for North Sea offshore work, and apart from the helicopter being made from fibreglass, and the water not being quite so cold, all equipment used is identical to the real thing. It was quite an interesting course.
I wonder what electrical equipment this simulator had that would require an inverter? as most of the basic essential kit is usually 28v DC.
This has got my curiosity going!
Cheers, Scott
I’m not a genius at electrics though I wire a mean plug but it does look like the old type circular inverter that you see at aeroboots etc, I’ll check it next time and see what is stencilled on it. I wonder if the Vulcan magazine ever dealt with CDT’s, I thought they would have covered it at some point as they were used to train generations of crews and I think from the production details on the bulkhead that mine is the oldest, I think its the only one remaining too though I’d love to be wrong on that one.
I also don’t know how many CDT’s were made, and what the others were made from – ie, actual ‘flown’ but bent example(s) or a basic shell taken from the production line and modded-up to suit? Scampton and Finningley must have used similar examples I would have thought, I wonder if any pilots or ground personnel from these other V bases can confirm seeing and using their own examples?
GOKONEVulcan Crew Drill Trainer
GOK, which is your real cockpit if you don’t mind me asking?
Sorry was away yesterday, its K.2 “Fireball” XL445, as flown in the early 60’s by Steve Zodiac..
GOKONEVULCAN CDT-ex Waddingtom
The rear crew had Air Ventilated Suit (AVS) supply at their crew positions. The CDT was not pressurised, what would be the point? It had no oxygen supply either. It was a basic crew escape trainer and the pilots didn’t always play, we did our “bit” in the simulator. In fact I can only recall going into it twice (although I must have gone through it on the OCU), once shortly after joining my first squadron and once when I had to go out to Goose Bay on the 7th seat.
exmpa
Thx exempa, that’s the feeling I got as there is no insulation in many areas including the rear, its just the basic metal exterior and the later mark canopy would never pressurise anyway, the seats look good though. Have attached a detail shot of the rear bulkhead with the ref number, I think someone filched the plate that was above it on retirement.
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