VALIANT SUCCESS
I did a thread a few years back to celebrate Valiant’s 60th and as the first of the V’s. There are various images and cockpit survivor shots on PDf on it along with notes from the 2nd prototype etc, no objections if the moderator wants to move them here to make it larger and keep things going. Valiant was a success story which flew the flag for almost a decade and was useful to the last, while she crucially held the sole responsibility for a time to deliver nuclear weapons if needed before the other 2 more sophisticated V designs came along. One author wrote in Flypast some years back that she would only ever be remembered for being the bomber that was was withdrawn due to the spar corrosion that gave her a finite life from the beginning, but I disagree.
I think that as time wears on people will realise what a fine design the aircraft was, and with considerable scope for development besides the lamented B2, that the notable Vickers team also originated – at least one was supersonic. I believe I saw an old article saying that in fact she too had a crescent wing even if it wasn’t as ‘kinked’ as the Victor, certainly the design of it was important enough for Vickers to patent it. The Airfix kit in recent times has helped to make people aware of Valiant along with the better display of her at Cosford (though the interior of their suspended Lightning is in a poor state). The proof is in thes more books come along and online discussion like this continues I have no doubt that Valiant’s considerable ability, testing achievements and records will reach the wider audience they deserve to.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?110023-Vickers-Valiant-Tribute-1st-Of-The-V-Bombers
Thanks again Pep, it has to be the browser issue – brings the link up in the browser panel and starts going blue from the left, but then just stays there, refusing to get through- I’ll try it again later, but better get to bed via a bus – assume you caught yours OK! 🙂
COSFORD VALIANT NOSES, 70’s
I visited Cosford in the early 1970’s for the first open day of the museum. In the first hanger at the bottom of the hill were I think 3 Valiant noses quite long sections. Does anyone know which ones they were and what happened to them.
Fascinating if they really had THREE of them, but I’ve never heard of that before, if true I can only assume 1-2 at least might possibly have been saved for testing of some sort, as to retain three is “V” unusual – or even all three were to be used for some technical purpose. This was some time after they were scrapped so a real puzzler unless someone simply determined that they would be saved and stored and possibly with a view to be distributed amongst other museums – hope to hear more.
TRY THIS
Rob.
Thx for that Peppery, it brings up the link in my header bar but jams, not your fault, I think my Safari needs updating but will try tomorow – or later today – a bit of a late from the office yest @ 4.20am and I was hoping for a slightly earlier day, but as its past 2.00am now and TalkSport is still going I think I’ve blown it – must go soon for the night bus from W1…
I also tried the useless Firefox an all it does is spin around, I don’t seem able to get on with this finicky browser at all these days. Bah. 🙁
WP220
Possibly straying from the thread a little but I thought that you might be interested in this picture of WP220 taken at RAF Shawbury B of B Day in 1961. I went travelling for many years after this and this was the only time I saw a Valiant.
Thanks for that Stirling, its nice to see new images of the aircraft and I would have liked to have seen the display that looks to be set up outside the crew door, in the days when you got some great shows with real value and all of classic aircraft. What’s left is in gardens and museums now!
She was with ‘138 for a good spell from 1955 onwards the year before Suez aside from mod periods at various places, then 7 sqn/232 OCU/7 sqn and ended up at the St Athan graveyard in ’62 well before the scrappings began, no idea why she wasn’t used to the end 🙁
The Valiant nose at Brooklands is now in the “Wellington” hangar. As the building is so crammed it is difficult to photograph as are all the aircraft that are in that hanagar
Thx for pic anyway Rob, yes that’s about what I got and going in closer dosen’t really improve matters, too crammed really. Some lovely old filing cabinets and other strange detritus in the strat chamber as formerly graced by the immaculate and systems-capable Sea Vixen though. before it was denied cover and ended up in S’ton which wanted it, quite a shot in the foot to Brooklands at the time. You’re in Scotland though, so you can get to see XD875 as mentioned elsewhere – Lucky you!
Justing picking up on a couple of points about Victors. The B.1 at Radlett was presumably XA918 (£380 – gosh). The Victor nose would probably have been one of two: Either the cocooned specimen (XA927 if I remember correctly) at the Park Street end or the unused shell sitting in the hangar at Colney Street. Does anyone know which one?
Ah March 2010, what an issue that was, but they’re all special to me. If only you could go back eh, but then what money would you be earning and would there be space for it somewhere, and I reckon women were less interested than today’s more enlightened times and more into the Fab Four and the Stones. And Hughie Green meant it all most sincerely, he really did…
VIEWABLE VALIANT
Only current viewable Valiant is in Scotland at Highland Aircraft Preservation Society, its the Ken Ward example XD875 (as opposed to the sectioned flight deck XD857 @ Flixton) formerly at NAM for a time before its later move onwards to the highlands. All survivors are on a PDF on p.1, (should still be there anyway).
Thanks for the pic, almost got it in but well worth including, it really was a graceful but imposing design, the pods gave it an extra bit of “oomph!” too.
Had a couple of great air shows at Alconbury including last fly-by of the Bucc, along with great, proper U.S. hot dogs and no silly money too! Really sad when the Yanks pulled out.
THUNDER & LIGHTNINGS VALIANT Q
Have tried to post the query below on the Thunder & Lightnings site under Valiant Memories re the first Gerry Hitch pic, have used 2 browsers but the questiOn won’t go through for some reason – hope someone (like Gerry Hitch – where are you?) can help…
‘V’ interested in the first Gerry Hitch production line Valiant picture – I can’t find any contact details for him and would like to know why did they not have the port porthole pre-cut in the skin curvature when making the cockpit section?
You would have thought that with the entrance door hole being pre-cut, they would do the same with the porthole –
Also, did they allow for the rear crew ESCAPE hatch by the stb’d rear desk to be pre-cut like the door hole, or did they manufacture THAT only after making it a whole shell first, as seemingly with the port porthole?
Many thanks
Hi Howard,
I’ve been getting a mail from someone for around 3 weeks now after regularly searching the museum site asking where are the museum pics of this year’s Fest?
Also, I haven’t had a chance to look due to an e-mail back log but are there any museum web posts for the 1940’s event and how did it go as I had an event clash back then.
STEVE HAGUE MEMORIAL SERVICE, 31st July 2015
Annoyingly, I’m on holiday that day, but will raise a glass.
Never been to AeroVenture before and it made me wish I’d gone there when Steve was around, it always seemed too far with other things always on to do but it was only anther hour after NAM, and I found the signs easy to follow while I didn’t come back empty handed after picking up a Javelin canopy for a contact – Steve would have approved.
A very impressive museum with an equally impressive main hangar of aircraft and ‘The Devil’s Work’ as Steve called choppers, with lots of other nice displays and good to see the cabinets Bill picked up from my family in the early norties which have been put to good use in show-casing some of the fine smaller exhibits.
A lovely sunny day and I got there well before time, seeing Andre Tempest and family, Bill Fern and Naylan Moore and lots of other people, met some other good contacts too like the museum’s Alan Beattie of Yorkshire Helicopter Preservation Group. Also saw one of Steve’s brothers but thought it best not to talk to him.
Some very nice speeches were made by Bill Fern and Andre Tempest along with two others and a Lifetime Achievement Award via the Transport Trust in recognition of services to aviation made in 2014 was presented belatedly to Bill for Steve which will go with Steve’s Merlin engine that AeroV have purchased from Steve’s brothers. The museum didn’t need another one but thought it would make a nice memorial to a true diehard – and he did die hard thanks to his stubbornness that kept him with us for enough time for him to be talked about for many years to come.
Before the fine buffet that followed the service one of the speakers mentioned that Steve’s father was a marine and they moved 7 times when he was a kid, I think Steve’s illness started at 19 when he first got Crohm’s Disease, after which it was a life-long battle with many other complications after that; he didn’t just battle his illness but other obstacles which included bureaucracy, inadequates in government, local government, DHSS and lousy GP’s who should be ashamed of themselves – lets hope they get refused a referral if they ever have umpteen things wrong with them in their own busy lives and are told that its down to budget.
Over 150 people attended on the day and there were at least four representatives from the Aeroplane Collection/Northern Aircraft Preservation Society at Hooton Park alone, along with other BAPC people and those involved in Lusty Lindy, the museum and other museums like East Midlands, etc. In 28 years Steve missed only 2 meeting so the third speaker had mentioned, quite a feat when dealing with his health issues and fitting so many other things aviation-reated into his annual schedule, while cursing also his motoring issues!
Don’t rest easy Steve, because after the relatively short span mankind gets in general I can’t see quite why anyone would want to rest easy if there are other things to do if we should find there IS another stage to move onto – so keep moving on and doing things till the big meet-up at the celestial bar, and then as ever, you can flag us in and explain to us how it all works.
“Send reinforcements we’re going to advance” becomes “Send three and four pence we’ re going to a dance”
There’s was a P1127 based rig dumped out at Warton for years, it was scooped up with other Harrier material following the retirement of the type from BAe sites. Ended up at Wittering, however was sold by the Mod tender system as it was not on the RAF books. Current location much as described…
Not quite the horror story portrayed above I think……
Thx Jag ‘n’ Jack for update on the ‘1127, what about the GR3 though, I assume this was a complete airframe? Or have I been told incorrectly and it was in fact just one airframe involved?
WITTERING HARRIER/KESTREL SELL-OFF Q
Does anyone have any info on the museum at Wittering and an update on its airframe sell-off?
I heard today that a Harrier (I believe a GR3) and a Kestrel given to Wittering by BAe were sold off to Everett Aero, with the Kestrel being bought from Everett by another dealer with a well-known passion for the aircraft.
I don’t know if anyone knows who I could contact at BAe as to why these airframes were given when they are now apparently disposed of from the base, but I’d be grateful if anyone knows why such a museum would sell off its own history, using aircraft which any non-RAF related collection would welcome with open arms.
Hi Gokone, do you have any photos of the cockpit and stand so that I can visualise what is being discussed. Thanks
Hiya,
Alas my upload limit ran out some time ago but if you look at Howard’s Post 8, he kindly supplied a link that will take you back to the original thread of (I think) 2011.
G