The F-35 inlet-system does not limit to Mach 1.6.
What kind of intake does the F-35 have?
There are HUGE benefits to the UK for committing to the F-35 now.
I think the benefits for the US government and LM will be larger.
If you really are so well informed as you say you are, perhaps you should turn your hand to lobbying the interested governments. You are after all wasted here, no-one here has your keen insight nor breadth of vision. Intellectually speaking we are all your inferiors.
I could never quite understand why Macrihanish was closed; it always struck me as being the ideal location for a tri-service training base!
Cheers
WF
Well it’s not the easiest place to reach by road. At the time I was there I think the nearest traffic lights were in Ireland. Plus the weather was always a problem, I remember an awful lot of visits being cancelled due to it.
As we used to say “if you look out of window early in the morning and you can see the mountains, it’s going to rain. If you can’t see them, it’s raining.”
Btw, I was always under the impression that it was in the top ten longest runways in the UK, not specifically the longest.
The only stated application I have is the Wyvern. I think that the Eagle was an engine very much out of tune with the times. It seemed destined for failure.
Too big, too heavy, too complicated and too expensive.
Also, although Robert Hilton correctly states a power output of the Griffon as 2500 hp, this was only correct for certain given marks. Some 60 series engines were quoted as having an output of 2350 hp, while the 58 had a maximum of 2490 hp.
I only quoted the highest rating for the Griffon, like the Merlin it had a fair number of power ratings. I’m also quite wary of stated ratings as they are often influenced by all manner of factors such as altitude and octane rating etc. They were meant to be general, not gospel.
The Griffon was 36 litre and the Eagle was 46. The Eagle was also a 24 cylinder engine as opposed to 12 for the Griffon. It also produced some 3,500 hp compared to 2,500 hp for the Griffon.
The Eagle was fitted to the Westland Wyvern.
so let me get this straight EADS can throw a hissy fit because it might get a finacial penalty for not holding up its end of the contract, yet everytime the costs rise the customers have to pay? I have mentioned this on here before, why can defence contractors have such massive cost over-runs and governments just seem to pay them?
Cost over-runs are not always due to higher costs of a particular project, it is also a way of hiding funding for some of the more adventurous projects.
“Expensive” would have been a good choice as well.
Hi All.
I seem to always remember hearing a clicking noise as each prop started to spin on the Darts of Viscounts. Can anyone explain what this noise was, I assume something to do with igniting the fuel.
Also On the Vangaurd start up, why did the pilots seem to allow all four engines to idle then gradually increase the rpm on each engine ready for taxi power
Thanks in advance to any replies
Regards
Nordjet415
Indeed the clicking would be the igniters.
Turboprops have poor acceleration by their very nature. The Dart in particular because all the moving parts are fixed on a common shaft, which means there is a great deal of mass to get moving. If you try and accelerate it too fast you could get overfuelling and a surge. For this reason the RAF don’t test the acceleration time of a turboprop.
Sounds like you’re not seeing the forest for the trees. This should make it clear as to why carrying fuel internally will have less surface area for a given volume than external tanks. (The four orange cylinders have ~1.45 the total surface area of the single green one for significantly less volume.) If you need further explanation let me know. 🙂 As for the frontal area arguement another mentioned, the higher level of internal fuel for some aircraft is simply from a better use of internal space THAT WOULD BE THERE REGARDLESS. Would the Flanker be skinnier if it didn’t have 20,000lbs of fuel inside? No. Would the Blackbird? No. With the F-35 it wasn’t a case of “hey we need lots of fuel so let’s make it fat” but “we have this internal space so let’s fill it with fuel”. Also re: external stores is you also have additional drag from the airflow around one store interfering with the air flowing around the one next to it, the wing, etc.
Sorry, you seem to have misunderstood what I meant.
Being familiar with a number of tank configurations, and having climbed into a fair number in my time, I do get the big picture. I’ve seen a/c with flap tanks ,fin tanks, even bomb door tanks to get that little extra endurance. What I meant was, if you are going to build alot of fuel space in internally and keep the RCS low, then the chances are rather high that cross-section and wetted area increase. Both of these will increase overall drag. I also understand the mechanics if increasing the diameter and the subsequent increase in volume. It’s not a question of “let’s make it fat” sometimes it’s “we can’t make it any thinner”. The F4K/M series should be a good example of what happens if it’s a little bit fatter, I’m sure you know that well enough.
An external tank is going to have more wetted area per gallon of fuel carried than an internal tank. That’s probably obvious to most as things like wet wings etc. are taking advantage of space that would be there anyway but empty. With the F-35A/C they get to fill the spot normally occupied by the lift fan with fuel. Leaving that spot empty of fuel would change the wetted area by ZERO.
That was my thinking on the matter. As it is neccessary to carry everything internally to retain a low RCS, then the total surface area would be larger giving a larger drag.
B- exactly how much friction does an internal fuel tank make?
It depends on the total area of the tank exposed to airflow.
Look up wetted area, you might learn something.
Yes I do.
Yes you do what?
That Concorde could supercruise, or the thrust, weight and size of the a/c?
Not it could not, it was still in need of minimum AB. 😉
You must be thinking of the Tu144. Concorde held cruise speed without reheat although it was used to punch the a/c through the transsonic range.
It could actually go through the sound barrier without reheat but it cost more fuel.
The question I had posed to the other poster was whether they could provide the figures for how much drag a clean F-35 had vs. another aircraft, or whether they were making a subjective claim based on looking at a picture.
Additionally how much drag the other aircraft had when carrying external stores.
Be that as it may your question was less than correct. Therefore any answer would be irrelevant.