You obviously do knot know the two pointers.
The K2 was only allowed to fly without a HDU fitted to Major Servicings and Return and on dispoal in 1993
No I was a K2 man. I had a look around a couple of K1’s they were totally different fish.
Engines, wings, tanks, electrical systems, APU, an awful lot was different.
Remember 512 well though, used to be called 51/2.
I know in civil aviation N1 is used as thrust indicator. What does the Tornado & RB199 use?
I don’t know what the Tornado uses. Some a/c use an EPR (engine pressure ratio) meter. The Spey 101 used in the Buccaneer used a direct P7 reading.
I’ll see if I can find some technical notes for the Tornado.
IDLE RPM N1 (not N2) can be as low as 35% for a civil turbofan (CFM56). N2 is much higher – as you say – but N2 has only a limited effect on actual thrust, again for civil engines with large bypass ratio.
That might be Schorsch, we are however posting in MMA. Military a/c especially fighters and bomb trucks have somewhat different requirements. Engine rpm is normally related to the hp compressor. I personally haven’t seen a mil cockpit with more than one rpm gauge per engine. If the Tornado had a gauge per spool there would be six in total, abit much to take in at a quick glance.
If the engine is shut off, throttle is irrelavant BECAUSE THE ENGINE IS NOT RUNNING/PRODICING ANY THRUST/POWER.
When the engine IS running (thus procicing thrust/power).
0% throttle is idle.
100% throttle is max dry/miliitary.
Afterburner stages are a separate scale (AB1, AB2, AB3…).Some people are confusing % throttle with % thrust/power…
Reheat on a seperate scale?
AB1, AB2, AB3…..?
Reheat is generally modulated from min to max (that means infinately variable) and operated through the throttle quadrant. There are some engines fitted with PTR (part throttle reheat) but those are for specific applications If you wish to discuss fixed or finite position reheat then you’re better off in the Historic forum. Try the Swift or the early Lightnings. They had two and four position reheat.
Please try and acquaint yourself with the basic workings of equipment when you wish to dazzle everyone with your knowledge.
& @ scorpion82
pfcem is right here. There is the flight mechnaic perspective, where throttle and thrust are linearly connected and 0% (or degrees, or whatever) give no thrust to the aircraft (but still compensate for the engines drag, which is substantial).
Between IDLE N1 and 100% N1, one can roughly say:
N1 ~ THR^2~ means proportional
Throttle movement and rpm rise (N2 with fan engines) are not linear. Usable rpm begins around 80-85% to max. Therefore the throttle travel needed from idle to that rpm is normally fairly short giving better control in the area you use the most.
Which does not change the fact that when % throttle is used, even for the Tornado, that 0% throttle is idles & 100% throttle is max dry/military power.
Nonsense.
Most throttle quadrants are also used for the hp shut off and for the reheat
If this is so, what would the throttle travel from idle to shut-off be called or that from max dry to min reheat through to max reheat? -40% and 150%?
40% throttle setting, not power. The question is how the throttle settings are defined in the F-35. Pcfem suggests 0% is idle and 100% max dry. If we assume that idle is 65% (quite common for military turbofans) than 40% throttle setting would equal 79% RPM. I’m not sure whether that is really realistic, my feeling says no, but who knows. A prove for the claim besides pcfem would be nice, but my request remained unanswered.
55-65% rpm is quite common for idle, the Pegasus being a notable exception.
I’ve always seen the power of an a/c engine expressed as % rpm, overal pressure ratio or Px thrust never as a percentage of throttle movement.
Those are the constants, not position of the throttle.
That depends entirely on where & how many 30mm shells.
Most modern a/c are packed with avionics, systems and fuel. What isn’t full of these is a control surface.
The rule of thumb used to be for Russian close defence equipment (ZSU 23/4)
1 23mm hit, less than 30% chance of downing the a/c
2 23mm hits, about 75%
3 23mm hits, Martin-Baker flypast time
The increased power of a 30mm is probably going to down you alot quicker.
Pugachev performed his cobra maneuvers for airshow crowds close to the ground. If performed at power with distorted airflow into the inlet, the fan stall margin is not good. If one of the engines were to stall, the thrust from the other widely spaced engine would cause severe yaw which would flip the nose right or left with insufficient altitude to recover before impacting the ground. By reducing thrust to idle, you increase the fan stall margin making the possibility of a fan stall very, very remote. This makes the cobra maneuver safe to perform at low altitude to thrill the airshow crowd.
The stable working line of a gas turbine (fan or otherwise) is normally set at cruise rpm. Higher or lower rpm results in the working line moving closer to the stall/surge margin. It is normally at it’s worst around idle speed. Stall reduction devices (VIGV’s, bleed valves etc) are therefore operating at lower rpm and are gradually shut off as it increases.
You could try loosening them up with a rivet gun and a mushroom head.
Not too hard of course.
We are still using the T Bar engine door keys, alas the top access panels are of the standard DZUS type, so its back to the ol hammer and spanner around screwdriver trick along with dosings of penetrating oil!
Square keys we have, and the tank button tool I have heard of, but what on earth are wobblies!!!?
On a smaller note can we not discuss colors on this thread. The poor guys at Bruntingthorpe are getting a right hammering at the moment for all the wrong reasons and it isnt fair on them.
A square drive GS screwdriver and adjustable spanner is about your best bet with the DZUS fasteners.
Wobblies are T bar sockets for the removal of ‘V’ clamps, they were available in 2BA, 11/32, 3/8 and 1/4″.
I agree with that.
In that order
It all depends on the way you close them before refuelling, A good strong Sooty would not need the one you mention
You have obviously mistaken me for a wimp 😀
I said the squadrons, I worked in VSF most of my time at Marham.
Fuel state was also very important, and location of course. Moving fuel around did help I’ve even been known to stress jack the a/c if they were particularly stubborn. The trick to fitting the doors was to turn each fastener bit by bit.
I merely thought that if they were having so much trouble removing rusted fasteners, that the HDU handle would help them along.
I never did save a T bar alas.
I do however still posess a square drive (elephants ears), a tank button tool and a complete set of wobblies.
I assume you are using the ‘T’ bar panel driver on the engine doors. Those stress panel fasteners always were a pain. The Squadrons used to use a cut down driver and a HDU winder for more leverage.
What is an F3 doing with an F6 ventral tank?
Are the wings also modified?
Thanks for that, it’s an interesting read.