Big thanks!
Ah Mossie they are fantastic! I especially like your second angle, it really capture the essence of the PR9 with the offest cockpit and canopy.
Thanks very much for sharing, greatly appreciated ๐
Cheers, Timbo
Sorry – I probably would have if I’d been mobile, but my ability to move off the crowdline these days is limited. Maybe next time, if I can get a mobility scooter.
Is that something which needs taking into account for next year do you think? I work closely with the organisers who are always wanting to hear feedback, so if you think it something which maybe got overlooked or could be improved upon I could certainly mention it.
As I say to anyone who misses out on a chance to see the old girl up-close and personal, if you are ever planning on passing one weekend and think you might like a good look, do please let me know as we’re more than happy to make time for visitors.
Cheers, Timbo
A couple more of my own then!
Well now that I’ve started I may as well carry on..a couple more that I did manage to squeeze in..
Well, the Canberra I photographed was XH134, according to the registration on the aircraft’s side.
I took this as it was making it’s sedate way down the runway.
Thanks RobAnt..close but not quite there! As you say that’s ‘134 the sister ship.
It seems that despite the tens of thousands of people passing right by our aircraft which was parked right at the public entrace and the hundred or so people we had sat in the cockpit, nobody took any photo’s of it! ๐
I won’t give up hope yet..somebody out there must have something ๐
Maybe if I post a little taster it will jog people’s memories!..
Thanks!
Ah fame at last!
Nice to see XH135 taking pride of place in the first photo…y’know there’s not a single pic of her over on UKAR…what’s that all about!?
Was great to meet you, always a pleasure showing people around the aircraft – she is steadily making progress to a return to ground running condition, the owners at Midair are very supportive of our project so maybe next year we might be able to give XH134 over at Delta some competition!
Certainly a great show – a real classic jet haven and I have to agree, the Sea Vixen and NF Meatbox were absolute stars of the show. Who’d have though a straight wing Derwent powered crate could perfrom like that – wingtip vortice contrails from a Meteor – outstanding!! ๐
I very recently just repaired a snag on WT333’s tail incidence actuator. It’s a beast of thing, with a high and low gear motor (though only one motor was actually ever used). When you see a Canberra tail and elevator assembly removed from the aircraft, you can see why such a big actuator was required – its is a single piece affair with a weighty spar forming a flat web running through the middle which occupies the famous “see through” portion of the tail cone..real engineering!
Our fault was just a crusty connection..the tail was stuck in the dangerous fully up trimmed position..a real issue even for us fast taxy types as it tries to lift the nose off the ground at the very earliest opportunity. Rectified by a quixk disconnect and blast with some moisture dispersant, trimmed back to neutral then associated fuse duly removed to prevent the same thing happening again!
And to think I was born a rigger…don’t tell my Airframes TM I’ve been flirting with wiggly amps for goodness sake!
Anyone know who had the NAAFI sign forsale at the aero boot? got a bit of a thing for signs at the moment….
Yep that was us, or more specifically it belonged to Clive (Bamel) who was selling it from his personal colection. I believe it went unsold so will pass on your interest in person when I speak to him tomorrow.
I’m loving the “Canberra lads from Brunty” title by the way thanks Jon..you got us all sussed out! ๐
Cheers, Timbo
There is a RAF WWII Watch Tower style building at Twynning near Tewksbury Glos. It is on the edge of the village. It is a long way from any airfield… So could any one out there shed some light on it….? What is it and why is it there.
I drive through Twyning a fair bit and can’t say as I’ve noticed it! A friend of mine is local so he will be the man to answer the question. Defford is not a million miles away, buy far enough to not be mixed up with Twyning..
Flyover
This wonderful aircraft flew over Hereford at what looked like little more than 150ft this afternoon…what a gorgeous sight and sound it was!
To be honest I was joking and taking the opportunity to remind people of the Anniversary Display. Hence the :diablo:
I understand that if thereโre sufficient volunteers around that it might be open throughout Cokcpitfest!
hehe don’t worry, I was just playing along! ๐
Ah โ donโt say that! Still a few days left to check it out! :diablo:
Oh no! Of course as a Canberra fanatic clambering around a gorgeous rare example of the type, it’s a truly fantastic place to be! Highly recommended to anyone who gets the chance..don’t miss out!!
Should’ve made it clear I was speaking with my hangar Pilot/Nav hat on trying to imagine the awful prospect of trying to get out of a B(I)8 in a hurry ๐ฎ
Glad to have cleared that up..:o
Indeed the B(I)8 did only have two small pylons mounted under each wing capable of carrying 1×500 or 2×250 lb bombs. on each. One of the major factors limiting further pylons I believe was the presence of the airbrakes in the mainplanes on our UK Canberra’s, whereas your B-57B’s had the airbrakes moved to the fuselage increasing the area available for further stores (and effectivity of the airbrake apparently)
Isn’t this awful, we’re having to admit that the US may just have improved upon one of our most time-served and faithful designs! :p
As for crew (dis)comfort, it has to be remembered that the original design had intended for a lot of the workload to be taken up by the planned radar installation. When this didn’t materialise a bit of lateral thinking saw the crew stations being put into production in the form we know of today, and due to the interchangability design I mentioned before, all subsequent UK variants had to work around that awkward offset position of the pilots station to allow everything to align in the event of a front end change. whilst the PR9 didn’t suffer particularly with this issue due to it’s completely revised Navs station and opening canopy negating the need for a crew access door, the B(I)8 with its fixed canopy and “back seat” crew had to ram all this into basically the same space as the earlier B variants. I’ve clambered into Newarks hybrid B2/8 which has essentially a B(I)8 cockpit layout, and I can assure you, it ain’t a nice place to be ๐ฎ
Jollies
Ahh one of my biggest regrets as an ex-liney is that I never took the offer of a Jolly in WJ874 on her maiden 50th anniversary “Petter Blue” schemed flight..fool!
I was under the impression that we didn’t follow up on the tandem cockpit layout in part due to the designed “interchangability” of Canberra front-ends.. the shifting of the pilots seat to the centre and the resulting move of control linkages and pressure bulkhead electrical/hydraulic unions would have made the B(I)8 a bespoke model. As with our own WT333 which started off life as a B(I)8 and ended up mith a B6 (Mod) cockpit, it was relatively common practice to chop and change cockpits from the pressure bulkhead forwards for development work. The tandem setup would have made this impracticable I would guess. Of course money was probably a fairly huge factor too..when isn’t it!
I am afraid I never had the pleasure of working on B(I)8’s..in fact I’ve never even seen one in it’s intended configuration (WT333 doesn’t quite count) in the flesh more’s the pity. I spent my time on PR9’s and T4’s, with a little TT18 and PR7 action thrown in for good measure.
Ah, the Canberra…arguably one of the most loved military airplanes ever built.
Nice to see that as an opener to Canberra post, well said! If only it were true for the UK…the 60th anniversary went by with barely a mention in any of the aviation press over here..not so much as a single line in Flypast ๐ก
Anyway…I don’t know the first thing about the B-57B, other than that it’s tandem cockpit arrangement did seem like a rather more sensible approach to housing it’s crew than the distinctly un-Health and Safety conscious layout of the B(I)8.
Aside from that, I gather the B-57B program was plagued with development setbacks and supply issues with wings from Kaiser, along with engines which filled cockpit with noxious smoke.
On the B(I)8 side of things, again, not much of expert on the operational effectiveness side of things, but on reading through the service history of this particular mark it did seem to suffer a high degree of loss, presumably due to the types well documented asymetrical handling difficulties..just looks disproportionate when compared to other marks built in greater numbers.
Not much of a discussion from me I’m afraid, but as a Canberra fixer rather than historian I’m not too well versed on operational virtues, only on how broken they were when they came back :rolleyes:
Yes, I can see all of this now ๐ฎ It’s like the wool has been pulled from eyes! Port it is, and yes, the mangled metal does look bent back by a strong force. Must have been a very glancing blow not to damage further into the tip.
Sorry for dragging this debate out further than it should have been, it’s just from my angle (pun intended) it seemed to make perfect sense (doesn’t it always). I honestly have been trying to second guess myself but I just could only see starboard. I’m quite glad it’s over though, lol. ๐
Welcome to the Port supporters club Steve!! ๐
Congratulations to all involved in this thread, I think it ranks amongst the longest Canberra threads ever seen on this forum which I for one think is fantastic..here’s to more like this!