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Mig-31 max R-37 load is 4″

I am talking about the K-77M. R-37 I am pretty sure is a long range air to air missiles not medium range.

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I can bet my leg that your number for SRBM is for the reentry warhead instead of the whole missile so to count the length of the total SRBM length is misleading,”

Your losing a lot of limbs here.

https://aviationweek.com/technology/…tection-claims ”

NNIRT says that the Chinese DF-15 short-range ballistic missile has a 0.002 m2 RCS in X-band, but is 0.6 m2 in VHF.” Notice that they are talking about the missile and no war heads. However having a missile fly straight at you the face of that missile would be the 1 diameter reflection along with the fins sticking out. However the sides and underbelly will reflect more.

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thank to the much weaker skin return of F-35,” Which is why I have taken in account of a low RCS tracking range. I am using stealthflankers aesa calculator put 64 modules(me counting the modules on the k-77m) put 10 watts per power, elevation 16 degrees and azimuth 120 degrees(no one knows how wide the radar beam is but it is said to be wider than it its previous counterparts just using this as an estimation), put .0001m2 for target RCS. Leave the everything the way it is(stealth flanker explained to me why he left those as a common reference). The 90% probability of lock on is at a 3.749km range. since we want to solve for the size of the radar beam

http://www.1728.org/angsize.htm I put 120 degrees for the angle and from point a to b I put 3.749kms for distance the total size of the radar beam is 12.987kms. Keep in mind the lock on range can be a longer distance than 3.749kms. Most aircraft radars work at a 40% PAE(power added efficiency) going over would be maintenance issues or damage on the long run however since missiles are one time uses I am assuming more power could be added than 10 watts and they appear to be LTCC and have claimed these kinds of modules are being used on their warheads which help with heating issues.

I am assuming that .0001m2 is the target reference for the front side of an F-35. And considering the tracking range the next topic would be speed. Assuming mach 4 speeds are going and mach 1 aircraft is flying straight at you the distance that will be covered for both sides(aircraft and missile) to meet each other would be 1.7/kms. Now I do not know if this is beyond your scope of knowledge since I do myself have the difficulty of fully understanding this but the next information we need is what is the range of EO DAS which I doubt sources of that can be found. Than next what is the jamming power of any of those decoys and we will see how much it would effect the detection and lock on range of the k-77m. BUT however the volume search of 50% detection probability is 6.038kms that the lock on is at 3.749kms jamming power of the decoys and an/apg-81 would have to be the same so no abnormalities like the aircraft radar having high jamming power than the decoy. Remember if the missiles own radar starts to notice a target popping out of the target it was detecting or tracking it might be programmed to still go after the original target which is why I am asking what range EO DAS is and if EO DAS is tracking the missile at farther ranges than the radar of the missiles(no one knows for sure) how fast is the F-35s reaction time to launch the decoy and what is the max jamming power of that small decoy and how can it further reduce the 90% tracking lock on and 50% probability detection range of the missile. I believe that stealthflanker and garrya can help with how far the host radar detection and tracking can be reduced with the jamming power being applied if they have the time and energy to do that.

Keep in mind with a launched decoy the host radar of the missile can see 2 targets depending how far or close it is. If the decoy is just jamming and the apg-81 is not jamming it might be programmed to go after the non-jamming F-35. If the F-35 starts jamming with the decoy than the F-35 still has a 50% chance of getting hit.

@moonlight What do you think of lock on jamming capabilities being added? Dual mode is considered a thing knowadays on missiles.

Sorry LMFS but whatever he posts for some reason is perfect bait for me.

“You can detect silent SAM with SAR, IR system, GMTI”
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-SAM-DefAids.html

“The MKT-2, MKT-3 and Volchitsa-KR camouflage netting are designed to conceal air defence equipment from electro-optical/thermal imaging and microwave band ISR systems. Band coverage includes longwave, midwave and shortwave infrared bands, and microwave radar bands from MMW down to L-band.”

“or you can bait them with decoys like MALD-X, once they engage the launcher location could be found.”

Or you can use decoy emitters or OTH radars with enough distance than decoys have range to easily discriminate targets to use tor, buk, pantsir and among other units to handle them accordingly.

“I doubt if they will put ramjet air to air missiles in full scale production due to cost, requirements and so on”

Lets not be like scooter here, there talks about a ramjet version for k-77m, they have presented a ramjet version for indias astra missiles.

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US successful tested a Mach 5 missiles with 480 km operational range in 1979, yet today they have no ramjet AGM in full production”

Are they using that huge tank of a missile on their current aircrafts?

“UHF radars are already inaccurate but OTH radars are far worse.
In addition, OTH-B radar are enormous and stationary targets, i say they can be get rid off by sub-launched cruise missiles easily.”

Yeah OTH radars can be taken out easily I guess if you believe there are no long or medium range air defenses in place but reaility usually does not give us that leisure. Doppler shifting allows 80 meter resolution. However no one knows how mTuch better the container radar is but there are atleast 2 articles here https://www.aorti.ru/media/news/nazemno-kosmicheskiy-eksperimentalnyy-kompleks-monitoringa-ionosfery-sozdadut-v-rti/ that they are doing research on determining ionospheric conditions ahead of time. OTH have blind spots but where you plase the other radars you can cover those blind spots.

despite inaccuracy of UHF they are starting to introduce host X-band radars on their newer warheads and the beam of those missiles could be sufficient enough to correct the inaccuracy and engage the targets on their own.

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I assure you, I have no interest in getting your account deleted. I also don’t think racist material is ever warranted. I also don’t think I’ve been up your @ss, I may disagree with posts or ideas, not personal. And would be the first to admit to a being too direct at times.

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Post has been corrected and its as an attachment to those that want to open it. Please do not accuse me of being a misogynist on the correction next since there are some women on the top image.

“F-35 can be equipped with ramjet air to air missiles, Russian don’t have ramjet air to air missiles in production or in development at the moment”

I mean they have developed

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PD a supposedly proposed solid fuel ramjet air to air missile version(have test fired it as well). I do not know what the production results were but I do believe the

Izdeliye 180PB/K-77ME is in developement.

Fact checking you is getting tiresome. I get it that your from another certain jingoistic aviation forum but before drawing conclusions about inferiority of russian missiles just atleast attempt to try getting sources directly from russian sources it will not cause a nitpicky user like me to feel bothered with your posts.

Sparrow missiles are not comparable to kinzhal according to descriptions from different sides yet you think interception results will be the same while no information is present that it will(forum members here have the right to agree or disagree if they trust the US or Russians). Russians have developed and test fired ramjet air to air missiles while there is another supposed introduction of a ramjet k-77m variant in developement but for some reason you say they do not have a ramjet air to air missile in developement at the moment. Indians might get ramjet air to air missiles as well.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/india-s-new-ramjet-powered-air-to-air-missile-what-the-astra-means-for-delhi-s-fighter-fleet

I am probably blocked by mig-31bm and bring_it_on but I will shut up for good because I have found out the kinzhal is a different design from the sparrow missile designs. But I will add a Su-57 question later after I explain this.

The only time the sparrow missiles maneuver is at the re-entry phase. This is how the re-entry phase is for most ballistic missiles.

However the Kinzhal does not only start to maneuver at the re-entry point. https://defpost.com/russian-mig-31ks…ry-day-parade/

It has a range of more than 2,000 km (1,200 mi), Mach 10 speed, and an ability to perform evasive maneuvers at every stage of the flight. It can carry both conventional and nuclear warheads.

Sparrow missiles have a simple trajectory and “only” manuever at “re-entry”(the brochure picture explains that). But the kinzhal performs manuevers at every stage not just the terminal phase or re-entry phase hence throwing off guidance systems and not making them as easy as sparrow missiles following 1 trajectory from launch to the re-entry phase. Even the brochure picture shows interceptions being done immediately before the missiles enters the re-entry phase. But kinzhal changes its flight patterns before the re-entry phase 🙂

Now for the su-57 question

https://www.rbth.com/news/2016/08/01…-pak-fa_616915
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the Rostec state corporation) is developing the Okhotnik (Hunter) video data processing system to increase the target detection range of the Sukhoi PAK FA (T-50) fifth-generation multirole fighter jet by 50-100 percent, according to the KRET’s press department.”

So does okhotnik turn the su-57 into an AWACs(twice the percent for detection range) and because of this capability I am assuming AWACS will not fly with the SU-57. Okhotnik and the SU-57 can both have stealth profiles. while one of them can carry a 400km missile internally to knock out a high RCS AWACs flying with other stealth aircraft. Are there any projects from the US or Chinese performing the same roles with their drones for their stealth aircraft? I heard this spring flight tests will be done for the okhotnik.

Wow that you think the pukuksong is a similar missile to kinzhal. Will you or mig-31bm one day provide a mrbm target with manuevering capabilities being intercepted? Sounds like there was concern from the US saying same range as pukuksong. Does the pukkuksong have the same maneuverabality as the kinzhal missile? I think the country we buy and copy our rocket engine designs from make more advanced missiles than the north koreans but thats just me. I am not like you or mig-31bm that think they are the same targets.

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I am under the assumption that f-16.net is really a hivemind which is why i have mistaken mig-31bm for garrya and mixelfick for scooter. Can you give atleast one source where a manuevering mrbm target is intercepted. It looks the target they failed to intercept was a simulation of a mrbm that has no manuevering capabilities. Of course the sm-6 and sm-3 improved but you and i have no sources if the mrbms intercept ed have manuevering capabilities correct?