@FBW

I swear to god there was a live journal source that stated that lock on range 40 miles that was not quoting kopp but I am having a very hard time trying to find that damn source.

I think Russia’s primary or best missiles will be this. https://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/2067330.html

“Note:
– AIM-120D AMRAAM – a new American missile, a range of 180 km (120C had a range of 120 km).
– K-77M (Article 180) – medium-range missile for the Su-57, Su-30, Su-35
– K-77ME (Article 180-BD) – medium-range missile with a straight-flow engine for the Su-57. The range is 250 km.

On the tests a few years ago the MiG-31BM with the desired target product at a range of 260-280 km was poured.”

Another, a new ultra-long missile “air-to-air” KS-172. Its range is 400 km. The only rocket of this type has two stages. Is able to develop a speed of 1400 m / s. It strikes targets flying at an altitude of 3 m to 30,000 m, at speeds up to 1,100 m / s and maneuvering with an acceleration of 12 g.

There are reports that Russian “air-to-air” missiles of large and medium range are capable of independently detecting and capturing a target during an autonomous flight”

[ATTACH=CONFIG]261684[/ATTACH]

The older variant developed by Agat could maintain a 20km lock on, however the one developed by Istok has a way longer lock on range. 40% of the aam-4b being autonomous engagement which has a 120km flight range gave that autonomous engagement a 48km range. Now i am hearing range of action for the k-77M went from 80 to 110km I do not know what they mean by that but the k-77m has a way longer range than 110km so I am pretty sure they are not referring to its max range but more than likely its autonomous function. Again I am not saying it has a 110km lock on range without the need or support of its own aircraft radar to follow targets. But I am very positively sure that the LTCC modules surpass the AAM-4b GaN modules on the lock on range.

Basically at this rate the competition of best air to air missiles is Russia vs Japan. They are claiming autonomous lock on ranges with even their longer range missiles than their medium range missile K-77M. In my personal opinion the coolest features on the SU-57 will be their missiles when most of them are declared operational and sources come out talking about their lock on ranges than as you said relying on Kopps estimates.

@Rall

“An F-35 with a Meteor (will be implemented soon) will be the most devilish thing that flies.

Really Russia need new big updates or new weapons on this area, it is not a surprise new weapons for Su-57. Airplane is important but not less important will be the weapons. All need to be on vanguard. “

Isnt the K-77M basically like the JNAAMs and isnt the JNAAMs basically a better version than the Meteor because it offers GaN mmics and acts like its own AESA radar?

[ATTACH=CONFIG]261673[/ATTACH]

https://warisboring.com/bad-news-for-u-s-warplane-pilots-russia-s-new-dogfighting-missile-can-t-miss/

“Designers at the Detal bureau, part of the state-owned Tactical Missile Munitions Corporation, added an active electronically-scanned array radar—a so-called “AESA”—to the nose of a long-range R-77 missile to produce the K-77M model. Thanks to its new guidance sensors, the K-77M is way more accurate than other missiles.

How accurate? Flying 40 miles or more, the K-77M should be able “to maintain lock on even the most agile maneuvering target,” according to one scientist and defense specialist in the Pacific region whose country’s laws prohibit him from speaking on the record about weaponry. In light of the scientist’s expertise, War is Boring agreed not to publish his name”

What JNAAMs says

https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/uk-japan-push-ahead-with-joint-air-to-air-missile-project/

“The intention is to combine the active electronically scanned array seeker of the Mitsubishi Electric AAM-4B medium-range air-to-air missile with the Meteor as the AAM-4B is too bulky to fit into the F-35 A’s internal weapons bay.”

http://aviationweek.com/awin/japan-upgrading-60-f-2s-aam-4-japg-2

“The crucial claim was that the AAM-4B could switch to autonomous guidance at a 40% greater range than either of the other two missiles and would similarly outperform what was expected to be the 2009 standard of the Russian R-77 (AA-12 Adder). In a 2010 paper, the ministry attributed the seeker’s greater performance to the higher transmitting power available from the AESA. “

Autonomous guidance 40% range so .4 times 120 is 48kms. AAM-4b utilizes GaN MMICS but for some reason the K-77M can create a 40 mile or 64.37km+ lock on to targets by its own. Japans ministry as stated in the above paragraph that the seeker’s performance from using the GaNs transmitting power from the AESA helped perform this autonomous guidance function.

If anyone has the count on the amount of T/R modules the AAM-4b has add it here since this is basically being added on the Meteor body hence the creation of JNAAMs.

Just on standby until they confirm GaN UHF jammers are on the SU-57 than declared operational and that the K-77M has been tested than operational. Most of what is said of JNAAMs is following targets. more info on JNAAMs

“Because “AAM-4B” is thicker than “Meetiaa(” (AAM-4B / 20.3 cm versus Meetia / 17.8 cm), the seeker mounted in “Meetia” decreases cross section by 20% and the number of TR units Will be less, but because it is an improved type, the detection performance is said to be equal or better than expected.

so in other words 48km+ self guidance. http://tokyoexpress.info/2018/01/22/日英共同開発のmbda「ミーテイア」ミサイル試射は2022/ Even Japan developing the JNAAMs states the K-77M in the final paragraph. Even a country way ahead in the semiconductor industry views this missile as their rival.

And even the Russians view Japan as their rival http://integral-russia.ru/2017/09/16/dalnobojnaya-raketa-vozdushnogo-boya-jnaam-brosaet-vyzov-peredovym-rossijskim-vozdushnym-istrebitelyam/
“After all, if the Chinese Air Force already has a decent asymmetric response to the future JNAAM Air Defense Forces of Japan in the form of ultra-long-range “air assassins” PL-12D / 15 / 21D, almost ready for mass production, our project RVV-AE-PD(K-77M) all still is “in a long box,” which, apparently, no one is supposed to open.”

However my support seems to be leaning on Russia’s 64 LTCC modules since it has claimed a longer lock on range without guidance than the AAM-4b GaN modules. And JNAAMs claims to be about equal or greater than AAM-4b on lock on ranges without guidance. They wanted the missile to fit on F-35 so they had to remove the modules,but claim equal or better because of modules.

Your making it sound like the Russians have a dire need of developing weapons like the Meteor but the K-77M is more than likely better than the JNAAMs which is suppose to be better than the Meteor. Russians have been testing drel and other cruise missiles on the SU-57 than they were declared operational. K-77M might be tested and operational soon enough.

SU-57 Russian made, K-77m Russian made, F-35 US made, JNAAMs British and Japanese made. Its moments like these where you want to cheer for the underdogs that are basically against the world.

Thanks for clearing that up.

@Rall

“
Really Uv sensor works well at low height but poorly at medium and high altitudes, because effect of the ozone. So, its good for advice about coming mampads or surface-air missiles, but not against air-air missiles or airplanes. And IR is much better for medium and hight altitudes.”

Do you agree with Wikipedia’s statement? on the advantages and disadvantages? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_approach_warning_system

The funny thing is it seems to show that UV has more advantages than infrared.

I am hearing proposed new features like ROFAR and among other things that can be put on the newer SU-57s besides the izdeliye 30 engines. With the current 12 SU-57s with all their current electronics, engines and missile tests will still be rolled out until 2019. Thats what I among other posters here would like to know more about its features such as IRST and radar detection claims, or what the proposed features would be on the newer SU-57s entering production, what is the complete design of its looks when its operational, etc.

I will follow along with what politicians, military officials and representatives of Sukhoi have said than news reporters not knowing the difference between cancelled production and production cancelled for few years.

“A question, sensor 101 KS-U only does it works on UV spectrum? I have read contradictory statements that also works in the infrared spectrum … “

More than likely yes since some reports have stated both UV and infrared. Also it is possible since the F-22’s AN/AAR-56 can do both. I would hate to go off subject on this thread but I would like to know myself why the F-35 went to infrared only on its MAWS instead of also utilizing UV since both have their advantages and disadvantages but using both would be even better?

http://www.deagel.com/news/China-Developing-New-Air-Defense-System_n000017911.aspx

The cutting-edge missile’s control systems need to be extremely efficient and accurate, said Wang Mengyi, deputy head of the Second Academy’s General Design Department and former leader of the laboratory.

“Metaphorically put, the mission of these control systems is to guide a needle to fly 1,000 kilometers to pierce the eye of another needle,” he said. “For researchers from Zhang Yiqun Laboratory, their mission is to turn this seemingly impossible task into reality.”

Does anyone know the RCS of a needle or what the name of their air defense would be? Sounds like Russia might lose a business partner in selling their air defenses to.

“In 2014 they states their development program finished and produced several kind of UHF GaN modules.”

Several are you twisting what is said as already stated? he said 4 of those mmics are to be used for krasukha, tarantula,khlibiny and himalayas did he not? He have an example of the 4 GaN UHF modules, than gave an example of the 4 EW systems…… Please atleast dont tell me that you think there are other EW systems that you think he is referring to?

“where did they even mentioned the EW system is Himalayas like you are trying to imply? ” So what your saying is you actually think that the mig-35s,mig-29s and su-30s are to have GaN than their newer aircraft? Because 1. you do not believe that it is present in mentioned jammers from Rostec 2. They mentioned EW GaN is present on aircraft and EW systems but since you disagree with the 4 systems mentioned by Rostec since it is not mentioned than what other EW systems do you think they have that have GaN since they have literally stated that.

“What they said is totally correct because in the market at the moment there are many EW system using GaAs modules, and some uses GaN modules.” Not even once have they mentioned the majority of their EW systems are GaAS there better not be any voices in your head to suggest otherwise which is why you post a catalog page but an actual quote.

“They didn’t say Their EW system uses GaN.” Are you on damage control or something? As stated multiple times, “Usually, solid-state gallium-arsenide and
gallium-nitride amplifi
ers are used as active
elements of active phased-array antennas of
present-day EW equipment. “

You say they didnt say GaN but they state they used GaN. You say they use GaAS more than GaN while they only state the use both not even once stating they used GaAS.

“GaN T/R modules are used in radar system we produced ” but that doesn’t mean we should assume APG-77v1 and AGP-81 use GaN (at the moment we only know that TPS-80 has GaN element). Or BAE can correctly say “we produced EW system with GaN modules” no no no there is a huge difference in comparing apples and oranges. 2014 they state where the GaN MMICs are to be used, apg-77v1, N036 and apg-81 there can be multiple sources found that state they used GaAS. The difference is they mentioned the Himalayas GaN MMIC features months later say they have present GaN on their EW systems. The only EW systems they mentioned of GaN are their newest EW appliances. 2015 there was nothing present of what new EW systems would be using GaN. 2014 they said where GaN will be applied until time later they have mentioned it is present. Give me a hint what other new EW systems that came out in 2015 to make you believe that it is GaN? I already gave you a clue.

“put a Sniper-XR pod on B-1 but Sniper-XR isn’t created for B-1 only” What kind of example is this? Are you suggesting that there are different aircraft that can be fitted with the Himalayas?

“i said those UHF elements weren’t created specifically for Himalayas” 4 GaN UHF modules, 4 systems that are to use GaN as stated, OK I hope you mean that the UHF elements were created specifically for 4 different systems? Unless your thinking those GaN mmics are for the mig-29 or whatever because they state 4 different GaN for 4 different specific EW systems.

“Size reduction and efficiency in form of percentage how do you know know they are the same without a base number?? What if the previous version is bucky?. Imagine someone said his house dog is half as big as her father, his house cat is half as big as her mother, then someone else concluded that the dog and cat are equal in size. Won’t you think that will be a ridiculous assumption? ” Which is why I was asking a question in the 1st place if anyone knew the sizes of either being based off of LTCC besides the same size reduction and if one is applied with GaN using LTCC for EW systems is it applied for their T/R modules regarding their radar? That is all.

“You have yet to give us the citation to these range”
http://tass.com/defense/942027
Krasukha-20 The entire system is deployed within several minutes without a man’s participation, after which it is capable of disabling an AWACS at a distance of several hundred kilometers.

http://www.deagel.com/Protection-Systems/Richag-AV_a003124001.aspx Rychag-av stating 700km, AVM unknown.

Murmansk-bn http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Vehicles/Murmansk-BN_a003384001.aspx max coverage 3000km

If most of their new EW systems like were presently operaional before feb-2015 I would have not said a word. But the fact that there were no newer systems that I can think between 2014-2015 other than the Krasukha-4 and himalayas being presented between that timeline, that they were introduced with GaN between, that time and now state they have already GaN present in their EW systems.

“In the broadband range of 2.0 GHz to 20.0 GHz the active antenna system is fully functional in electronic countermeasures and radio frequency jamming “

I hope that you are pulling my leg 2-20ghz for ECM and jamming. OK how about a patent with that range regarding “”””radar””””.