“No, it more like you don’t have a reasonable or logical argument so you can’t convince others to agree with what you want to believe. “
By stating what is stated there?
“basically you implied that current variation Himalayas already uses GaN module while the source stated no such thing. Finished development of new technologies that can be used in future upgrades is one thing, transferring those technologies directly to current pre-planned production chain is another.”
2014 sources states where the GaN MMICs will be used since they are already created, later in 2015 they have GaN AESA present on their EW systems. So why do they have GaN MMICs present on their EW equipment(according to niip) while the only hinted EW to utilize GaN was on that Rostec PDF as a brand new feature. hmmm brand new feature using GaN, 2015 they say GaN is present on their EW systems. What does that tell you? Do you actually believe that they are not suggesting their 4 GaN MMIC types is present, but that they have other GaN MMICs that are present on their aircraft but not the ones mentioned on Rostec? pg17 of niip catalog, “Usually, solid-state gallium-arsenide and
gallium-nitride amplifiers are used as active
elements of active phased-array antennas of
present-day EW equipment.”
“I haven’t see the Feb 2015 edition and to be honest, it kinda hard for us to trust your words. Either way, unless they specifically said in Feb 2015 that Himalayas has Gan modules, I don’t see how can you make the jump”
You haven’t seen yes this makes alot of sense at this rate. But the source states GaN present on AESA systems. Unless your going to argue that the GaN mmics that are present just dont happen to be on rostec which has only gave mentions of which equipment will have it.
“these UHF modules was not created for Himalayas. As stated in rostec, they are part of development project” what the PDF states, “In 2014, research and development
into
4 types of solid, high-dynamic
UHF amplifiers (the Odnotsvetnik-21
project) was completed. The units will
be used as components of advanced
weapons”
The developement project is already completed, says will be used…..UHF modules not created you say……”As part of a research
and development project, four
types of nitrite gallium UHF modules
(М421364-1, М421364-2, М421374,
and М421375) have been created”
Than it goes onto say where 4 of these will be put into the other 4 systems.
Well atleast the smartskin explanation you were helpful however ironically the Spectra I heard has happened to have GaN from another forum I visited. But I am not getting this thread derailed talking about a different subject not relating to the SU-57.
“Same way I consider T-3, Hyfly to be experimental. It sort of a technology demonstrator. ” Except they have the modules completed and will apply it to be used. Than some months later they say in another catalog we have GaN present on our EW systems.
” It sounds to us that you saw they written “new modules X is 50% smaller than the old one” then you read somewhere that GaN modules is half as big then you leap to the conclusion that module X is GaN based” Same materials being used, same efficiency and size reduction claims. I am saying is it an indicator that the radio-optical radars would be developed on same based benefits.That is all.
“but it does not help us estimates how good your eye sight is. ” Like stating how good its by jamming AWACs at 700km and LEO satellites at 300km? Your probably meant the context of saying whats the jamming power and what state the jammed equipment will be in. But I was just stating a previous mentioned GaN EW system and other systems that have surpassed it in range.
“Where did they said that “
https://www.niip.ru/upload/iblock/4c8/4c89c11ae741be234a5f900b3fb41e86.pdf pg 20 pdf……At this rate do I have to hold your hand whenever I post something and even give page numbers prior like I already did?
An important line of activity for KRET is the development of
ultrabroadband antenna systems using the AESA active phased array
radar. In the AESA, every element or group of elements has its own
miniature microwave transmitter, working in the frequency band
from 1 to 18 GHz.
Powerful solid-state amplifiers, made of gallium-arsenide and
gallium-nitride technologies, are used as AESA’s active elements in
modern EW solution. Thanks to them, the equipment’s weight can be
reduced by 1.5–2 times, raising reliability and efficiency by 2–3 times.
Since you have stated broadband sucks and that narrow band is better at a gain. Can transceivers like this limit their broad frequency scope to a narrow frequency? Why I also hinted the fga-35 (3d) is that its weight reduction as a radar from a previous AESA radar got drastically reduced by 1.5-2 times similar to the weight of the EW systems that got reduced by 1.5-2 times smaller being based with the same LTCC MMICs.
Sorry at @mig-31bm but your answer makes me want to raise another question.
http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=21183&t=1
Just to be sure about the 8-12ghz range there are certain frequencies below that that have a better RCS detection at different angles especially accounting for the front. And that these are still used for fire control frequencies for tracking targets So do you know why exactly they had 8-12 Ghz band t/r modules before but have broadened that bandwidth to a bigger range for their newer AESA modules. Why is this organization KRET not being led by you? So since you are implying a narrow band has a higher gain in detection than a broaderband frequency band. Can you narrow your broadband T/R modules for a higher gain in a radar?
I don’t think this organization would have created 1-18ghz AESA radars for nothing as stated in that NIIP catalog. Because it would not make sense for them to weaken their X-band range. Because I agree with you that broadband is not better than narrow band in detection. So I am assuming because they have this broad range for their transceivers can they allow their transceivers to either focus on lets say 8-12 GHZ like the F-22 or 1-4 GHZ within that 1-18ghz range?
“I don’t want to be mean but to be frank, your questions and statements aren’t really to anyone liking, because either you don’t really understand what you wrote or you are being disingenuous because your documents doesn’t say what you you claimed they do.Then the lack of citation and extreme JSR like attitude doesn’t help either.”
Denial, not reading anything that was actually cited, calling something experimental when said to be completed and another source later state presently used on EW equipment…….These are usually the symptoms I have come across from patients that don’t like something being better than something they like
“They didn’t, come on, why are you lying? last time you cite the document it was about some experimental UHF GaN T/r modules “
https://rostec.ru/upload/iblock/749/7499bd4f8161ec87a58c080c077564e8.pdf page 63 so again why did they say they have created the modules and that it would be used as advanced components for weapons? It clearly states that
“Those are very big leap of faith and still lacking in links”
Literally stated the model numbers of the 4 different modules as being GaN modules, Feb 2015 stated they clearly have GaN present on their AESA antennas on the catalog? How is it this hard to put the 2 together?
“Iam quite certain that they didn’t said that and beside, GaN isn’t a requirement to have smart skin”
It was mentioned on the rostec 2014 pdf that that the GaN modules were created for the himalayas and it was mentioned that the Himalayas EW was to be used as a smart skin. Since GaN is by default smaller than GaAS modules this is a hint or indication it most likely is. Can you give a source where GaAS modules can be smaller than GaN or GaAS modules being able to fit throughout of the body of an aircraft?
“You are making the assumption that experimental t/r modules will be used immediately on production line ”
I think I should have posted the rostec 2014 pdf book to begin with besides talking about it. Because the book clearly stated the project was completed, and that the modules would be used. Though I dont know why you consider them experimental t/r modules since they are completed and the fact that the modules were stated to be present on their EW systems from the Niip catalog.
“ROFAR is a different thing” I am talking about the same LTCC modules with the same reduction of the in size and efficiency being exactly the same as the LTCC modules of their EW equipment that they have currently stated as GaN.
“I don’t know where you pull these numbers from but jamming distance isn’t a fixed value.” Than just look at the estimated claims.
“ROFAR is pretty much therotical at the moment, beside, fire control radar operate in 8-12 Ghz range because it give you a good balance between accuracy and atmospheric attenuation, and you wouldn’t want a radar that operate from 1hz and 100ghz because it affects others things like directivity, grating lobes ..etc “
That does not really help answer if one person’s claim about GaN having a broader band frequency than GaAS. I was not asking about 8-12 ghz being a good balance I was asking if it was true that for aircraft modules does GaN have a broader frequency than GaAS? Its more of a yes or no answer with an explanation if you have one? As the niip catalog stated they have 1ghz-18ghz AESA radars. And you seem to be already mentioning about the effects from 1hz to 100ghz which I already mentioned and agreed as well will be impractical. Which is why I stated a KRET official giving an example using a UHF signal.
“”We tested the ability of F-22 and F-35 to detect our Su-57s – telemetry showed significant reason for their (Su-57’s) improvement” – V.Gutenev.”
might as well troll back by putting, “Apparently along with the Rafale, one aircraft which proved to be a real threat for the F-22 is the Eurofighter Typhoon: during the 2012 Red Flag-Alaska, the German Eurofighters not only held their own, but reportedly achieved several kills on the Raptors. ” every time I respond.
Ah man I am afraid I might rekindle an old fire causing arguements to explode again which depends how many critics are in this thread because my statements and questions might not be to their liking.
I am bringing up this old catalog again. Pdf page 16 https://www.niip.ru/upload/iblock/4c8/4c89c11ae741be234a5f900b3fb41e86.pdf
Rostec’s 2014 english pdf book on google pg 63 stated their project was complete and that the GaN modules were already created for tarantula, khlibiny, Himalayas and Krasukha systems than feb 2015 this catalog states that GaAS and GaN modules are already present on their active phased array antenna EW equipment. So these modules are using ceremic substrates and film technology which helped reduced EW hardware costs 5 to 15 times. However the FGA-35(3d) has used the same ceramic substrates and film technology they are using on their EW modules. The point that I am heading torwards is since they had GaN present on their newest EW systems and Guskov also stated that this same technology will also be put on the latest mig-35 in production. What are the chances that the mig-35 would be using a GaN radar?
Guskov in an interview from a ato.ru article source was asked would a similiar based LTCC radar platform be on an SU-57 he stated no but we have plans.2013 production of LTCC modules began, late 2014-2015 EW systems were present with these GaN LTCC modules. October 2014 http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/158167/more-on-sukhoi-t_50%E2%80%99s-himalayas-ew-system.html the new EW system acts like a smart skin. Guskov stated in nov 2012 that these LTCC modules will make a smart skin radar. Even though this says defense aerospace its says its got its source from rostec the same company that stated they already created the GaN modules for the mentioned EW systems. So since Guskov said that LTCC modules can do this for a radar to function like a smart skin. niip catalog stated they have GaN modules(based on ceramic substrates and film tech similiar to the fga-35(3d) which is LTCC) in feb 2015 present on their current EW systems. Rostec on the both late 2014 sources says GaN modules are implemented on Himalayas, Himalayas acts as a smart skin for the SU-57. So this basically means Himalayas is using LTCC modules which happen to be GaN. Because 1. GaN mmics were created for himalayas as stated by rostec in 2014. 2. feb 2015 states they already have present GaN MMICs based off of LTCC. 3. Himalayas is a smart skin EW system based off of LTCC GaN modules. 4. Guskov states LTCC is the way to a smart skin radar. From the looks of all this it seems they have already created GaN LTCC modules for the Himalayas, said in 2015 that they are already present on their EW systems, LTCC modules helped them create smart skins for their aircraft……The reason why I said I will cause arguements on this thread is that GaN UHF modules like the one implemented on the SU-57 have yet to be tested in 2020 for as NGJ for the F-35 and EA-18 Growler. While the SU-57 from these sources have shown that they already have a present GaN UHF on them since late 2014. Pg 19 in pdf states of that niip catalog of ROFAR having smart skin, weight and efficiency similiar to the GaN EW systems they talked about to be implemented in the 2020s. F/XX 6th gen aircraft speaks of having smart skins as well. So he who has a smart skin has either a GaN radar or EW system at this rate since they are small enough to be on the entire body of the aircraft?
KRET speaks of krasukha-4 jamming in the 300km which utilizes GaN MMICs as already stated by rostec 2014 eng book pdf. Krasukha-20 having a 700km jamming range for AWACs, Very new A-100 system to be introduced by 2020. Rychag-AV jamming 700km not counting the newer version they are creating. Peregrine falcoln 100km jammer for drones, Murmansk-Bn etc etc. So many brand new EW systems which makes me guess the production is going high speed since 2013. Same organization that made the GaN MMICs for the Himalayas definetly has more than enough GaN MMIC for just 12 aircraft in regards to one of their GaN systems with even better brand new systems with more powerful jamming ranges than the Krasukha-4. Their issues for ROFAR is making it optimal as they say. PG-20 of pdf states they have AESA radars working 1-18Ghz ultrabroadband(However KRET was boasting about 1hz-100ghz for ROFAR and obviously being too close to either 1hz and 100ghz will not work well, But the KRET official did say for the mig-41 it used UHF). While most GaAS modules like the F-22s works at a 8-12 Ghz range. I believe someone argued that GaN modules on aircrafts from another forum stated that they have a more broadband frequency than GaAS T/R modules is that statement by any means correct?
“We tested the ability of our aircraft to be detected by the F-22 and F-35 in a short deployment to Syria. After gathering the data, we found significant cause for their (the Su-57s’) improvement “
So why is everyone getting their panties wet from this statement since it can be interpreted in many different ways?
https://theaviationist.com/2014/09/30/these-may-be-the-only-f-22s-achilles-heels-in-a-dogfight-against-4th-gen-fighter-jets/
“Apparently along with the Rafale, one aircraft which proved to be a real threat for the F-22 is the Eurofighter Typhoon: during the 2012 Red Flag-Alaska, the German Eurofighters not only held their own, but reportedly achieved several kills on the Raptors. “
OK supposedly the F-22 had more kills on the Euro-fighters. So what does this say everyone? Countries who believe their aircraft’s are far superior to another adversaries would still find means of trying to improve their aircraft. Even a 4th gen can still be considered a threat to a F-22 and improving the F-22 does not mean the F-22 is inferior. Even 5th gens like the F-22 and F-35 can still be considered a threat to a SU-57 and improving the SU-57 does not mean the SU-57 is inferior.
A network admin in this forum managed to have this website have 99.99 uptime so this website for a year has experienced 52 minutes of down time a year. That does not make the network admin here a rookie if he increased the uptime to 99.999 by providing a mesh topology with multiple servers in case one went down with multiple links
Why bother making a big deal out of users that have a professional troll background here?
I think legend has it that heavy supporters of the F-35 and F-22 spend more of their time on SU-57 threads than they do on their F-22 and F-35 threads hence multiple SU-57 and Russian air-force threads always have so many views on a neutral forum like this. Thank you critics for making this aircraft more popular anyways.
” in fact USA is stronger (F-35 is in production, military budget never higher) and we now are reading about 12 Su-57 until 2025? 3 I heard in by the end of this 12 for full batch in 2019.
“nothing special didn’t change from then (F-22 fleet reduced, F-35 canceled) ” Heard the Pentagon was going to cut some numbers on the F-35s if certain criteria were not met.
Bragging about production of 5th gen aircraft no one seems to care about here that much. Everyone is more focused the features of the SU-57 than they are about the production. All their investments are on defense system networks anyways. Also few by the end of 2018 12 by 2019 according to the politicians, CEO and military officials.
A network administrator achieved 99.99 uptime for example making this server have 52.60 minutes of down time for year which is still pretty good. But that does not make the admin anymore a rookie for trying to increase the up time to 99.999 by applying principles like multiple redundancy of having an extra server if this one went down. More of like a Mesh Topology with multiple links that if one link is down there is another way to still have a connection to another device keeping everything running.
speaking of drones we might get to see their heavy UAV in flight tests by the end of this year. http://tass.com/defense/1012351
Also if it has not been mentioned here. They will make their cockpits twice as stealthy http://tass.com/defense/1011704
I support any country that has either the best equipment from the US or Russia. I would like to see that country in the foreseeable future at least hint some performance on what an S-400 can do against another country’s stealth aircraft. I am more of a truth seeker than a fan of either military equipment. God bless Turkey for doing this.
@stealthflanker Jan 30 2017 article stated a 2 year time for the production of mig-35s. Doubt there is going to be any information until than especially the LTCC version. I am curious about the watts for the modules of the LTCC version(exceeding 5 watts does not cut it for me) and the NO36.
More new EW weapons they will utilize https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/328140-drone-warfare-new-russian-electromagnetic
short range EW weapon against drones: Repellent-1. Medium range EW weapon against drones: Peregrine Falcon. Long range weapon against drones: either Krasukha variant.
Short range EM field protection: Rtut-BM, Medium range EM field protection: The Ram. Long range EM field protection: unknown.
But their newest EW weapons are The Ram and Peregrine Falcon. Just something to add here.
go to 2:40 to see 12 tomahawks striking ISIS. Just posting this video as an evaluation on the destruction it should bring.
@medo and @meosphere in case there is any doubts with people still believing not a single tomahawk was intercepted. https://www.quora.com/Who-is-lying-less-Russia-with-its-claims-that-71-out-105-missiles-launched-against-Syria-were-knocked-down-or-the-USA-who-stated-that-all-the-rockets-have-landed-on-their-targets/answer/Roan-Dempsey
Specifically look at his damage site evaluation argument. That had my mind blown. Or does anyone have a better argument on why he is wrong than I would love to hear it.
Just felt like updating this thread because I am surprised no one has been talking about this subject much here. According to someone from 4chan /k/. “There are reports that the Donald Cook is carrying 60 Tomahawks, but I don’t know if that number has a reliable source. The French Aquitaine should have 16 Scalp missiles. The Duncan doesn’t have any. The John Warner could be carrying up to 12 Tomahawks and there’s a possibility of an Ohio SSGN in the area with a loadout of 154 Tomahawks.” Is there anyway in knowing besides the S-400 and pantsir S1 system what amount of SAM batteries can handle like 200+ tomahawks? It sounds like Syria has a weak defense network(since the only defenses highlighted as modern are these 2). I heard it took 743 HARMs to take care of the SAMs in Kosovo. So are these smart tomahawks Trump is talking about either block 4 or block 5? Are they launching these missiles in Latakia in which the air defenses are at? How many Iskander missiles are in Syria(in case of retaliation)?
Hate to bring this subject again back from the dead but where are people getting information that the old Erieye can see a cruise missile at 350kms while Saab’s key performance data says 200kms for cruise missiles? https://saab.com/globalassets/publications-pdfs/eds/radar/airborne/sss08_0061_datasheet_saab_2000_erieye_aew_c.pdf
The radar coverage is 650km+ http://www.janes.com/article/78117/saab-rolls-out-first-globaleye-aew-c-aircraft Has anyone atleast found out how many targets this aircraft can track? E-3 is said to track 600 targets with a 650km range. And the A-100 is said to track 300 targets with a 600km range. Than the A-100 is claiming itself different from the other western AWACs because it has EW systems http://www.deagel.com/Support-Aircraft/A-100_a002700001.aspx I dont know if thats true or not. Again I would like to know how much targets the Global eye can track? why the hell an older system like E-3 tracks twice the amount the A-100 does? Does the E-3 or Global eye utilize EW systems?
@Siddar
http://www.janes.com/article/78774/saudi-arabia-says-f-15-survived-sam-hit-over-yemen Saudi Arabia confirms their F-15 was shot
@St.John your right on the hit rate. The F-15 managed to survive.