panzerfeist1[USER=”20936″]SpudmanWP[/USER]
Sorry if my post seems to be sort of disorganized but I believe I did make some mentions but sucked explaining them well. F-35 detects a radar so I am assuming your talking about passive/ESM sensors? Decoy emitters can imitate radars but I am not going to argue that they can easily sniff out decoys or not same as I am not going to argue if Moskva-1 can easily sniff out MALDs.
“Because they can get closer without detection, they can generate much better weapon’s grade target tracks than 4th gen thereby enabling more accurate use of weapons against the threat while lessening the reaction time of defensive systems.”
Sorry for the way my post is. But yes I am well aware that with stealth you can get closer than 4th gens. But lets say you are launching a 110km range glide bomb which in order to achieve this range you need high altitude. When there is a firecontrol radar with a 5m2 tracking range at 3000kms I am positively sure 5th gens will be targetted while 4th gens wll be targetted at a farther range if their weapons of choice were glide bombs. I am just trying to pickout what operations the F-35 would use with its weapons of choice.
I am also still desperately waiting if anyone can correct my possible JSM/JSOWWER/MALD weapon load out error for the F-35 if I have one?
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panzerfeist1[USER=”23210″]Gerard[/USER]
Me and mig-31bm/Eloise at f-16.net have a long history with each other lets say we are like the sun and moon, water and fire. Our interests are in the opposite spectrum he was against any post I have posted in the past I guess he made a promise to himself to longer respond to me but. https://forum.keypublishing.com/forum/modern-military-aviation and if you also look at the 2nd page you will see the topic I made https://forum.keypublishing.com/forum/modern-military-aviation/3870428-experimenting-the-f-35-against-sams than you will notice him reply to every post like crazy to bury my topic ASAP. So don’t take his movie response too seriously I think he is getting rid of his frustration from that post of mine.
panzerfeist1su-57 First flyable prototype; first flight on 29 January 2010. In 2012, became the first prototype to be equipped with AESA radar, first tested in flight on 8 August 2012.
I know they have been test flying different prototypes with the SU-57s but is it a fair estimate that it will take 2.5 years until they go test the radar? Or will it be less than that because the focus is just on one drone instead of 1 su-57 prototype will be tested for flight and the 3rd prototype coming out will be tested for radar?
The Maks 2009 airshow showed the prototype radar of the su-57 and the side x-band radars were shown in the maks 2013 airshow. So I am estimating that atleast in this upcoming airshow they might show the radar and we can only pray that they would show the full set of avionics as well. But at least its safe to assume this drone will use the S-111 datalink. I hope we get a news source later either saying we will conduct multiple flight tests or test the radar/avionics in this given time frame like they recently did with its hops and flight tests.
panzerfeist1oh and I hate to meme … what sense gas this in my point esp. since I don’t strictly disagree, I only question this point of view as if there is some sort of nature law “Russians are always ahead, they can never learn from Chinese!”
I just look at different sources and draw conclusions off of those. For example I thought the Russians were ahead of electronics until AJ showed comparisons and between 2017-2018, RTI and KRET openly admitted they are behind 5-10 years. However I received a nice surprise that a company that admitted are behind plan to change the tide with FICs in which even Raytheon’s project manager has plans for funding Arizona’s university on this field back in 2017.
I don’t see anything that is changing tide worthy from the Chinese, maybe scramjet missiles but what else?
panzerfeist1Come on, only since we don’t know their exact designation to assume they don’t gave anything in development is ridiculous. If this system then is better, worse or equal, is another question…
You don’t have information on newer radars coming but assume its better and that the Chinese have to have a lead on developing the radars to provide the tracking capabilities of their ship? S-300Fs and S-400 Chinese purchases + future air defenses in development makes me with the majority of people on this board stick with the Russians developing the engines, radars and armament. Ohh and I hate to meme this to death but KRETs official also has suggestions of applying ROFAR in the future for ships but that depends between 2021-2023 of the serial production of FICS.
panzerfeist1Awesome thanks for mentioning the datalink it has a 1,500km range for effective communication to command centers including those on the ground and there are future plans to have them on aircrafts, drones and helicopters. Meaning if RTI has a full constellation of new satellites with capabilities to track low altitude targets information can be sent to the control center or to the aircraft flying with glonass/gps with a possibility of their aircrafts being provided optional tracking capabilities(which we have yet to realize how good those tracking capabilities are).
The only future problem to this if there is a country similar to Russia that has developed a 3000km Murmansk-bn jammer to jam datalinks.
panzerfeist1Ähhm .. you try to compare what they have right now with something that that you will eventually have in 2024???
Do the Chinese have any radar in development passed 2020 in development? The only thing I see interesting is the s-500F and an/spy-6. Since everyone is talking about future cooperation between the 2 countries regarding ship designs I will choose s-400f and S-500F unless you have a reason not to?
panzerfeist1“In fact, it seems as if Chinese Navy ships have more advanced AESA radars fitted than can be found on Russian Navy vessels?”
Well they did recently get a new 300km AESA radar however they do seem to carry s-300f radars on their ships. But I am still putting the Russians on ship radar design because of the upcoming s-400F radar followed by in 2024 the s-500F radar which in terms of range surpass what they have right now.:very_drunk:
panzerfeist1For the aircraft carrier design there is no doubt the Russians should be the lead designers for nuclear engines, radars and weapons. But the Chinese can go create the construction layout of the aircraft carrier themselves if they want to as long as the Russians provide the size and space needed for the engines, radars and weapons.
However I believe in terms of submarine technology it should all be Russian made and sold to the Chinese for profit just by me seeing the specifications of the Yasen-M. But there is no doubt Russian/Chinese military cooperations would 110% be against US interests.
panzerfeist1[USER=”9270″]Levsha[/USER]
Still waiting to create an account over the Russian version of f-16.net over there but the admin still wont accept new user accounts. F-16.net needs to fix the stupid spam of topics talking about fake passports.
panzerfeist1[USER=”959″]Deino[/USER]
I checked the wing size of the sharp sword drone a drone they flew. Although I cant determine the weight of it but I do know according to the wing span and size the okhotnik and X-47B are way more bigger than whatever drone the Chinese have flew. I mean are there any sources that the Divine Eagle flew if so is its purpose not just recon but using weapons as well?
“By the way, which Russian designed drones is Russia currently using, and how long will it last until the Okhotnik is mature to be operational?”
Well as of now there is no operational 20 ton drone using weapons that I can find on the web. X-47B is cancelled but I am assuming the phantom ray drone and Okhotnik are the only actual 20 ton drones in development. However if okhotnik does become the 1st declared operational 20 ton drone while no country (for example china) has an operational heavier drone that can use weapons I have a better chance believing the Russians will have a unmanned mig-41 operational before the Chinese have the dark sword drone operational.
Not to offend you but if this forum had a survey I am sure the most jingoistic user from F-16.net would believe the Russians will have a photonic airborne radar, photonic radar satellite and mig-41 before the Chinese will have a quantum airborne radar, laser satellite and dark sword drone. There are a lot of Chinese users on this forum and social media sites that have owned my ass plenty of times with a lot of knowledge on aviation but I am sure that even they see some of Chinas projects as memes than they do as something coming close to reality or the proper term for this over-exaggeration.
panzerfeist1Looking at the X-47B and Okhotnik. Is there any other country that is developing or has flown a 20 ton drone besides the US and Russia? I have heard how poor they were before like some people saying they bought drones from Israel. But I certainly cant say they suck at land or underwater drones.
panzerfeist1[USER=”959″]Deino[/USER]
“he might have mixed it with the Okhotnik”
Who are you referring to?
https://tass.com/defense/1071613 Sorry for not posting it from tass earlier instead of the other site.
Head of the Defense and Security Committee in the upper house of Russia’s parliament Viktor Bondarev earlier said that the R&D work on the PAK DA multirole aircraft designed to replace Tu-22M3, Tu-95MS and later Tu-160 bombers was nearing completion.
The deliveries of the long-range strategic bomber PAK DA to Russia’s Aerospace Force are expected to begin in 2025-2030 after trials. In January, Tupolev CEO Konyukhov said that the timeframe of creating the PAK DA is comparable with the term of creating the Tu-144 supersonic passenger plane and would equal about five-seven years.
Then-Deputy Defense Minister and currently Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said at the time that the new strategic bomber might take to the skies in 2025-2026 and go into series production in 2028 or 2029.
Are you talking about Konyukhov, Bondarev or Borisov mixing it up with the okhotnik? If anyone has noticed this by now I never care about production numbers of aircrafts the only thing that interests me is the technology it carries. Also I want Tupolev to atleast make a new aircraft.
panzerfeist1[USER=”959″]Deino[/USER]
It does say PAK-DA Scooter#2
panzerfeist1https://www.therussophile.org/russia-to-test-next-generation-stealth-strategic-bomber.html/ Well it looks like I will be waiting with a hard-on until the Maks airshow comes up.
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