Infrared based MAW[edit]
See also: Infrared and Thermographic camera Advantages
Disadvantages
Ultra violet based MWS[edit]
See also: Ultraviolet Advantages
Disadvantages
It seems that the advantages of UV outweigh the disadvantages while for infrared the disadvantages outweigh the advantages…….If you have an aircraft and you are stuck with 2 choices between infrared or UV MAWS which would this board want to pick? Any agreements or disagreements with the bulletin posts? It seems both cannot provide actual range information but I suppose the integration of having more radars cover different spots on aircrafts (su-34, su-35 and su-57) will be able to provide range information of incoming missiles. They have 180 degree LWIR infrared coverage(counting IRST),240 radar coverage(possible 360 degree x-band coverage if same route of su-35), 120 degree L-band coverage and 360 degree UV coverage. Is this design a wise choice?
I just hate different sources out there. There were some that said it offers 360 degree infrared and UV coverage, and lets not forget the does it have 5 or 6 radars argument if that has ever been put up on this forum before. It reminds of that one time(I believe it was an eagle.ru aviation board) I was using google translate and there were arguments and eventually the forum reached a conclusion that the SU-35 stinger only works as a receiver instead of a radar until this source came a year later. http://tass.com/defense/990745 “
The work on the Su-27’s modification capable of detecting and striking ground targets (i.e. the work on the full-fledged multirole fighter jet) began at the Sukhoi Design Bureau back in the mid-1980s. The plane was named the Su-27M (the T-10M). It was furnished with new radio-electronic equipment (including a rear facing radar), armament, electronic warfare (EW) systems, multifunctional displays in the pilot’s cockpit, an aerial refueling system and other devices.” Now I am unsure if the SU-57 will have either a rear facing radar or just a receiver in the back used for EW. But I guess a combination of UV and radar coverage would not be too shabby and cross my fingers hopefully an upgraded DIRCM that not only destroys missile sensors or confuses them but eventually destroys the missile comes later.
Well atleast the Russians are not like the turks and appear more trustworthy to the US. Lunesberg lenses can help track a stealth target better. Hope Turkey remains as an ally to NATO or does not pull the same BS if they stray away.
https://weaponews.com/weapons/65350875-the-real-value-of-the-su-57-right-the-americans.html
“That is, at a time when the American voenprom, winning a labor victory, beating hard on reducing costs for the F-35 program and vowed in high volume order to reduce the price to just any — Oh-vey! – 85 million. will buy Russian aircraft 5 th generation for $ 34.5 million.?!”
I hope this source is not referencing a source like Russian insider because the journalists on that website sound like 4chan /pol/ users and the “oy vey” statement was a dead give away which sounds like it is mockingly being used to reference statements Jewish people usually use. Russia insider is more horrible than sputnik and rt if you got another source that provides the 30-40 million dollar su-57 statements than please provide it if you can.

I would prefer investments on the PAKDA over the TU-160 if they make a regiment set of them and call it night bombers regiment 588. Nato reporting name is night witch and they are flown by female pilots. If that is not allowed than continue with the Tu-160s
old info
http://tass.com/defense/1034559
“December 6. /TASS/. Russia’s fifth-generation jet fighter Su-57 will be equipped with hypersonic missiles with characteristics similar to that of the Kinzhal missile, a source in the aircraft industry told TASS on Thursday.
“In accordance with Russia’s State Armament Program for 2018-2027, Su-57 jet fighters will be equipped with hypersonic missiles. The jet fighters will receive missiles with characteristics similar to that of the Kinzhal missiles, but with inter-body placement and smaller size,” the source said.
“It was hard work. Intensity of tests was very high. Even the main test centre coped with it with difficulty, he added.
The Tactical Missiles Corporation also planned to develop the first model of a hypersonic missile by 2020, the corporation’s director-general said.
Russia had completed working out a programme to develop hypersonic missile technologies. The Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Industry and Trade had already approved the programme, Obnosov said.”
Could they be referring to one hypersonic missile design or are they working on 2 separate hypersonic missile designs? one source was from may 2014 and the other souece came on December 2018 but it seems they are intending to fit one of them inside the aircraft. 2 designs or 1 design if anyone knows?
https://qr.ae/TWNu0D My answer link of “””””possible”””””” upgrades for the SU-57. I quoted that word because I do not want certain users to have a sperg out here. There air defense capabilities which would make a good combination with their air force https://qr.ae/TWNKnW and their offensive nuclear capabilities https://qr.ae/TWIhdz some of which there air force would carry.
Hearing upgrades on Krona, Voronezh radars to be upgraded with photonics and hopefully their photonic radar balloon offers great long range low altitude coverage for their air defenses since it is being tested as a prototype by the RTI group https://qr.ae/TWNo8O. Also I am hearing they are working on increasing the frequency range to 1000ghz. So what’s after ultra high resolution SAR?
[USER=”70376″]stealthflanker[/USER]
Hate to be a bother but is there a possibility to make an excel sheet that tells you what RCS size there is in close or farther ranges? Example there is a 1m2 target at 400kms however if I lower that target to .0001m2 what range would it be or lets say I track a .01m2 target at 400kms away than what distance will I see a .0001m2 target at? Is this feasible to do? And if so do you have plans to make such a project and if not can you dumb down the equation regarding this task? Thanks if you do or if you know any other user that can do this.
Hearing a lot about Syrian and Russian airstrikes in Idlib this week. I guess it will be a matter of time before it turns red as well.
“The first prototype of a flying car is VZ-8 Airgeep, do you know when it was made? 1962. Today is 2019, 57 years later and yet flying cars isn’t produce in large number or commercially available”
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This looks like a cluster**** between a helicopter and aircraft bought to you by uber but yet its called a flying car. Hell I put flying cars on google images and cant find one without wings.
Now this is something I would be proud to call a flying car or is closer to that concept without looking like an airplane or helicopter was f@cking it like the above image or your Vz-8 whatever its called. Oh and this thing can travel on water as well cant wait for this to enter the market. This will be my last post regarding cars since I don’t feel like getting in trouble again if this account goes to h#ll I will just make another one.
“He doesn’t understand the concept of money or technological maturity, you are wasting your time.
I wish the world run as he believes, then I can buy myself a flying car”
And someone is throwing a hissy fit, or seems to be acting like they have been touched in the wrong place. If you want to join the conversation dont be shy in regards to technology maturity you can read the catalog as well. Speaking of flying cars I have heard in the Mak airshow in 2017 that in 2019 visitors would be given the chance to fly the borts triton, you can go buy one there.
[USER=”40269″]FBW[/USER] reread the kret catalog where it says we replaced 5-7 watts with GaN transmitters on the radars they have worked with. I only said that narrows the option to radars other than the mig-41. As for the jammers it is doubtful they are talking about a l-365 khlibiny-m jammer if FICs is around the corner
[USER=”76365″]RALL[/USER]
Su-57 will have composites, but i read time ago Su-35 S have many composites in his airframe too, for to reduce and improve its RCS. You think Su-27 is around 10-15 m2 and Su-35 S i read is around 3 m2, so this big improvement is because use the composites on Su-35S. Maybe is not big difference here on this thing comparing with Su-57
“When creating both combat and civil aircraft, the proportion of composite materials is constantly increasing. For example, 70% of the fifth generation fighter’s washed surface is carbon fiber. Composites greatly facilitate the weight of the structure, improve aerodynamics and allow to drastically reduce the visibility of the combat vehicle for radar.
Experts say that on the radar display of the fifth generation fighter, thanks to non-metallic coatings, no more than a bird.”
1 month later they add a metallic coating since these measurements above or based on non-metallic coatings https://www.defenseforces.com/2019/01/11/russias-sukhoi-su-57-fighter-jet-gets-advanced-stealth-coating/
“It doubles radar wave absorption and reduces the aircraft cockpit’s radar signature by 30% Currently, the coating is applied to the canopy of T-50 (Su-57 aircraft since August 2017), Su-30, Su-34, Su-35, MiG-29K and Tu-160 planes,” Rostec said.
The coating is made of metal oxide layers 70-90 nm thick. In addition to reducing visibility to enemy radars, it protects the pilot during the flight from the impact of ultraviolet, thermal and other negative factors, Rostec stressed.”
RCS figures can change F-35 was considered to have an RCS of a golf ball and next thing you know General Hostage says it has more stealth than the F-35. I will wait on the final figure but the patent more than likely reflects on overall RCS and the bird RCS might reflect on the front side for now.
[USER=”77292″]LMFS[/USER]
The F-22 had a 3rd gen radar for 2 years until getting it replaced with 4th gen GaAS, the F-35 was considered to have 1200 modules before getting 1,600+ modules. I don’t know if I should laugh or cry if the module count and same based AESAs will be mass produced( I will let the 1st 12 slide to have the old radars) but if they are than starting the SU-57 project is completely meaningless and they could have saved their money not starting this project at all.
http://www.promweekly.ru/archive/kret/KRET_4-2017.pdf
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In the aircraft industry a role of composites is increasing, a sixth-generation aircraft will be possibly designed with use of the composite materials. On-board radio electronic equipment is being improved. Now the transmission power of the transceiver module of the active phased array antenna is 5–7 watts. After switching to the use of gallium nitride in microwave transmitters, the power can increase to 20 watts. Accordingly, the performance parameters of the radar will improve, and its dimensions will decrease. On-board computer technology is also being improved, despite the fact that we have
a rather difficult situation with the element base. In the microelectronics area we are still behind. The task was set to ensure import substitution, to switch to all domestic elements. We switch… losing in terms of dimensions.”
Not to be an obnoxious a$$hole but give me a reason why I should trust you over a KRET official that said we have switched to GaN? The reason I believe the SU-57 would have this is that I consider it a high priority aircraft over the rest of their aircraft industry. F-22 and F-35s had either replaced their modules or added more modules and if your telling me that after all these years they are still planning to mass produce the old shit avionics, and regarding the possible RCS of the SU-57 this project should have never been started in the 1st place. 2014 GaN modules from Rostec were introduced than at the end of 2014 Himalayas was added, Khibiny-M was tested in 2016 Syria and May 2018 tarantula was added the 3 high lighted EW products that were planned to have them were put on after 2014 majority of users that disagreed with this majorly seem to be from f-16.net but looking at the orlan-10 drone the jamming capabilities in terms of range were increased 3.5 times meaning no increase to antenna size which leaves the choice to better module capabilities.
If the same avionics remain than the aircraft better have a better RCS than either the F-22 or F-35 which is highly doubtful the only way this aircraft can get any better is having its MMICs replaced and since your telling me they will have the same old crap than it will be better to just abandon the whole project and use those funds for the mig-41 instead considering the amount of time. And if you want to know why I consider the ROFAR technology as you say a silver bullet and others say otherworldly I will give a grade school explanation of why I consider both of these things as possibly true. Imagine seeing a 1m2 target from 400kms away but with photonics (if the Chinese source is correct) you can be able to see a .01m2 target from 400kms away instead. RCS is measured in decibels the noise floor prevents me from seeing a target smaller than 1m2 but if that noise was a little bigger than the noise floor, than the noise or RCS can be found. Lower it 100 times more(according to Chinese source) or -20 decibels the feint signal can be better heard without the noise floor interference. And next imagine EW mmics not being able to suppress ROFAR’s radar but ROFARs EW systems can in return suppress the opposing targets radar, than yes I have the right to consider these capabilities to that of a silver bullet or otherworldly if they are indeed true. If your sticking with the GaAS AESA idea for mass production than those better be used to replace the radars on the SU-35s if they will replace them with ROFAR in 10 years because they are on a limited budget and I doubt they like to waste money especially starting this project without any good results.
LMFS
it will be at best be retrofitted to the planes in the distant (>>10 years) future” keep in mind mass production of FICs(photonic integrated Circuits) will start somewhere 3-5 years and they have been working with prototypes as early as 2014, there were even talks about the ground radars like the Voronezh-dm being upgraded with that source that I provided on the Russian air force thread. 2023 if I remember correctly is when the flight tests for the izdelie-30 would be completed. Any newer radar they are developing after byelka is going to be based on FICs and they want to be the 1st country to immediately enter the market mass producing these circuits. There is also a likely chance that the byelka was updated since that 2017 kret catalog said we had 5-7 watt transmitters than they said they replaced them with 20 watt GaN MMICs but no one knows which radar they were talking about but it sure as hell wont be the 6th gen version so that might narrow some things down eventually but until than hope some good information will be revealed for their next airshow
http://tass.com/defense/1058382 Iraq has plans to purchase S-400.