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  • in reply to: IAF Thread : Dec 2004+ #2638667
    Tiger_01
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    SEPCAT Jaguar in Indian Service
    Last revised September 1, 2003
    Written by: Greg Goebel

    India had made inquiries about the Jaguar beginning in 1966, very early in the program, seeing the type as a potential replacement for increasingly antiquated Indian Air Force (IAF) English Electric Canberras and Hawker Hunters, with the requirement given the designation of “Deep Penetration Strike Aircraft (DPSA)”. The selection process went on for 12 years, with India also considering the Dassault Mirage F1 and SAAB Viggen, but finally chose the Jaguar International in October 1978. The British must have been pleased to trump the Mirage F1.

    The IAF was in such a hurry to get Jaguars that, as mentioned above, the RAF loaned the IAF 16 GR.1s and two T.2s in the summer of 1979. These were referred to as “Batch 1 / Interim” machines. Two of the “loaners” would be lost in IAF service, but the others would be returned in 1982 and 1984. Ten of the survivors went back into RAF service, one went to Oman as mentioned, and the other three were scrapped.

    By that time, the IAF had received 40 “Batch 2” machines, all built in the UK, including 35 Jaguar IS single-seaters and 5 Jaguar IB two-seaters. The Jaguar IS was very similar to the RAF Jaguar GR.1, with Adour 804E engines and the NAVWASS system, though it did have overwing launch rails and carried Matra Magic AAMs. The IB was very similar to the RAF Jaguar B.

    The Jaguar was known as the “Shamser (Sword of Justice)” in IAF service. There were some teething problems with these machines, most particularly landing gear failures that led Hindustan Aircraft LTD (HAL) of Bangalore, India, to perform an upgrade on the Batch 1 / Interim and Batch 2 machines. Apparently Bae then used this same fix on RAF Jaguars without compensating HAL, leading to a legal dispute that was settled out of court.

    The Batch 2 aircraft were to be followed by “Batch 3” machines, produced by HAL, beginning with kits supplied by SEPECAT, but then with increasing local content. The local production scheme almost fell through due to a change in governments, but it went ahead, with the first Batch 3 machines going into IAF service in 1985.

    The Batch 3 Jaguars were very up-to-date, featuring more powerful Adour 811 turbofans with 37.4 kN (3,810 kgp / 8,400 lbf) thrust each, along with a locally-produced avionics suite with a MIL-STD 1553B digital avionics bus. The centerpiece of the avionics suite was the “Display Attack & Ranging Inertial Navigation (DARIN)” system, replacing NAWASS. DARIN incorporated:

    A Smiths Industries / GEC “Head-Up Display / Weapons Aiming Computer (HUDWAC)” system, used on the Bae Sea Harrier and featuring a wide-field HUD.
    A GEC-Ferranti “Combined Map & Electronic Display (COMED)”, used on the McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet.
    A French SAGEM ULISS 82 Inertial Navigation System (INS).
    The system elements were integrated in India. Other avionics kit, such as radios, IFF, and automatic direction finder, was of Indian origin.

    Local Indian production of the Jaguar is something of a confusing and tedious topic, with sub-batches of machines being delivered on an on-and-off basis. By the end of the century, an approximate total (sources vary) of 91 HAL-built Jaguars was delivered, including 69 IS single-seaters, 10 IB two-seaters, and 12 “Jaguar IM (India Maritime)” single-seat antishipping aircraft, with the Agave radar and the Bae Sea Eagle antishipping missile. Along with the 40 British-supplied machines, this gives a total of 131 Jaguars obtained by India in the 20th Century, not counting the 18 loaners.

    Most IAF Jaguars were originally painted in dark green / dark gray camouflage, though the Jaguar Ims were painted in a light gray / dark gray camouflage. The IAF has now adopted a standard overall light gray color scheme for all Jaguars, similar to that adopted by the RAF.

    Indian Jaguars carry a wide range of ordnance, including dumb bombs, BL755 cluster bombs, SNEB unguided rocket pods, and Matra Durandal “runway dibber” bombs. Although the Sea Eagle missile is no longer in RAF service, it is still regarded as a highly effective weapon. The IAF also obtained a number of Bae centerline reconnaissance pods for their Jaguars, and later acquired more modern Vinten reconnaissance pods.

    In recent years, as India has acquired a nuclear strike capability, the Jaguar is believed to be the primary platform for delivery of free-fall nuclear weapons. Another rumor is that IAF Jaguars have been given a low-cost “stealth” upgrade, featuring such simple items as anti-radar engine intake screens, that cuts their radar cross section by more than half.

    The IAF is expecting to obtain even more Jaguars. In 1998, an order was placed with HAL for 17 Jaguar IB two-seaters. Initial deliveries were supposed to be in 2001, but some problems with avionics systems slipped deliveries out to 2003.

    These two-seaters being built to a fully combat operational standard for night attack, featuring the LRMTS along with a modern combat avionics system with new displays and a navigation system, featuring a ring-laser-gyro INS and a Global Positioning System (GPS) satellite navigation receiver. They will carry the Israeli Rafael Litening targeting pod, which features a daylight CCD camera, a FLIR imager, and a boresighted laser. The back-seater will work as a “weapons system officer” to direct precision-guided munitions while the front-seater flies the plane. The new aircraft will also be NVG compatible.

    In addition, the IAF has 20 more Jaguar IS single-seaters on order, with an improved nav-attack system and modernized displays and processor. Similar avionics is also being refitted to older Jaguars, a welcome upgrade in particular for the surviving British-built Batch 2 aircraft as they retain the original NAVWASS system. Ten Jaguar Ims, apparently all that remain in service, will be refitted with an improved Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multimode radar.

    Further improvements are believed to be in the works, such as increased cockpit automation that will allow single-seaters to carry and use the Litening targeting pod. Given the new production and the improvements to older aircraft, it seems like the Jaguar will remain in IAF service for a good time to come, a tribute to the basic soundness and capability of the desig

    in reply to: IAF Thread : Dec 2004+ #2638671
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    Upgradation of IAF jets finally taking off
    RAJAT PANDIT

    TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ MONDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2002 10:57:37 PM ]

    NEW DELHI: Apart from inducting more new generation multi-role fighters like Sukhoi-30MKIs and Mirage-2000s, the Indian Air Force’s ambitious plans to upgrade its “deep strike” aircraft like Jaguars and MiG-27MLs to “modern avionics standards” are now finally gathering steam after several delays.

    As many as 80 of these supersonic jets are being “modernised” at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) facilities in the first phase. “The aim, reinforced by the recent 10-month forward deployment in the western sector, is to acquire greater reach and penetration capability,” said an IAF officer.
    The IAF, the fourth largest air force in the world, wants to upgrade the technology profile of its strike force, in terms of `high-tech’ compared to `medium and low-tech’ aircraft, to a 50:50 ratio over the next few years.
    “The MiG-27s and the Jaguars form the backbone of our strike fleet. With upgradation including advanced radars, navigation, weapon and electronic warfare systems, and precision-guided munitions these jets should be viable till almost 2020,” he added.
    French and Israeli companies are part of the upgradation programme for the deep-penetration Jaguars, which also includes integration of “autopilot systems” into the aircraft. Capable of delivering tactical nuclear weapons, the Jaguars were first inducted into the IAF in 1979 and subsequently manufactured by HAL under licence.
    At present, 40 of the around 100 Jaguars in the IAF’s inventory which constitute four strike and one maritime squadrons are being upgraded. “Moreover, 17 two-seater Jaguars are already under production at HAL. Twenty more strike Jaguars have also being ordered. With the IAF now getting IL-78 flight refuelling aircraft, the Jaguars will be able to operate much beyond their combat radius of 1,400 km,” said an officer.
    As for the `swing-wing’ MiG-27s, the “indigenous” upgradation work on 40 of the around 150 such jets in the IAF fleet is also well underway. “It will impart greater flexibility to the aircraft. In all, around 140 MiG-27s will be upgraded to match the standards of the upgraded MiG-21 `Bisons’,” said the officer.
    The modernisation programme of the MiG-27, which can carry a 4,000-kg load, includes boosting performance parameters to undertake multi-mission tasks like accurate ground attacks and stand-off precision attacks, as also increase the fighter’s `combat radius’ with in-flight refuelling. The induction of the upgraded MiG-27s is likely to begin by 2005-2006.

    in reply to: IAF Thread : Dec 2004+ #2638687
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    >>>Further a cursory look at your ROSE upgrades data seems to point to what IAF did with Jag in the mid 80’s in the form of DARIN and now with DARIN II.

    I don’t think that PAF would buy same two decades later. About some have radars. Some not. And looking at quantity. There are a lot of mirages in PAF services.

    in reply to: IAF Thread : Dec 2004+ #2638739
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    Not to make any side angry. I hope you all will agree that this post is more leaning towards this topic then the other. Just a copy paste but with intresting details.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FL03Df04.html

    NEW DELHI – US President George W Bush’s first tenure was good for India, and Bush II promises to be even better, with the United States formally offering a range of military hardware, including an anti-missile radar system and maritime spy planes, to India. The offer includes the much-touted Patriot anti-missile defense system that tackles aircraft and also tactical and cruise missiles, C-130 stretched medium-lift transport aircraft, P-3C Orion maritime surveillance planes, and even F-16 fighters. The US has also offered Perry-class frigates and Sea Hawk helicopters, while special-operations forces will be looking at chemical and biological protection equipment.

    According to reports in the Indian media and independently confirmed by Asia Times Online, Indian Ambassador to the US Ranendra “Ronen” Sen was in New Delhi last week and discussed the US offer – as well as a proposed US arms deal with Pakistan – with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee. Sen also met with the ruling United Progressive Alliance (UPA) chairperson, Sonia Gandhi. The hardware offer will be discussed further when US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld comes to New Delhi next week (the highest ranking official since Bush’s election victory last month to visit the subcontinent) and will also travel to Pakistan.

    The US offer to sell military hardware – including the Patriot missile system – to India comes with a much deeper strategic message. India has a constant gripe against the United States’ arming of Pakistan, with the ostensible reason of taking on al-Qaeda terrorists and patrolling the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. India fears that a militarily strong Pakistan in the wake of US sanctions against the supply of similar weapons to India is a threat to its own security. Last month the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency, which handles all government-to-government military sales, informed the US Congress of a weapons package for Pakistan. It includes TOW anti-tank missiles, Phalanx shipborne guns and P-3C Orion long-range maritime-patrol strike aircraft at a total cost of US$971 million.

    The news came as a bit of a shock to India, with Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran conveying India’s apprehension over the proposed sale to incoming US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice. What was particularly galling was the fact that the Indian navy had been in negotiation for over three years for the purchase of 12 P-3C Orions to bolster reconnaissance capabilities. India instead was offered older hand-me-down P-3B models, which it turned down.

    With the latest US offer, comparing the Indian military acquisition to Pakistan’s would be redundant: if the Patriot deal goes through, it will provide the necessary strategic depth to India’s defense arsenal, making it significantly different from that of either China or Pakistan. The US offer to sell P-3C Orion naval reconnaissance aircraft is also an upgraded one with the version being offered to India the “P-3C plus”, equipped with the latest avionics and equipment systems. US officials describe it as a “maritime patrol aircraft with offensive capability”, more advanced that what Pakistan will have at its disposal. Indeed, the US proposal comes during a period when India has been warming up to the Bush administration second term as well as an unprecedented level of US-India military ties over the past couple of years. Importantly, this break from the past, wherein the US has been reluctant to supply arms to India, comes when Rice is set to take over the State Department.

    However, analysts here also warn against going all the way with the US. According to defense expert Bharat Karnad, “US arms supply policies are extremely fickle and hostage to not just the White House but also a number of committees and subcommittees in the US Congress, any of which could insert a rider to an Appropriations Bill negating at well a deal cut by the executive.” There is truth in this caution; in the past the Indian navy’s entire Sea King helicopter fleet – with US components – was grounded in the face of US sanctions.

    But in the current context and by all accounts, the Indian government wants to move quickly on the United States’ offer. According to a detailed report that appeared in the Indian Express, the UPA government wants Raytheon, which manufactures the Patriot system, to give a presentation; it is likely that India will accept the offer of the 30J-30 Hercules aircraft, the only medium-lift plane in its class that carries tanks and troops to battle; on the F-16 planes also offered to Pakistan, the paper said the UPA government was not likely to be interested as India already has Russian Su-30 MKIs and French Mirage 2000s. The P-3C Orion aircraft is expected to be picked up, as the Indian navy is keen to have a long-range maritime surveillance platform, with anti-submarine capabilities. It is understood that F-16 manufacturer Lockheed Martin approached the Indian Embassy in Washington with an offer after New Delhi objected to F-16 sales to Pakistan. Lockheed Martin’s representatives said India was cleared by the Pentagon for the supply of F-16s, the P-3C Orion and C-130J-30 stretched Hercules transport aircraft.

    Indeed, the latest India-US entente is a culmination of the two critical components through which India is being perceived by the Bush II regime. One is purely business, with India expected to tread the path of a reciprocal partner in other purchases such as the augmenting of Air India’s passenger aircraft, which is being keenly watched in Boeing headquarters in Seattle. It is also likely that India will pitch for the Arrow missile defense system, which is a joint US-Israel effort. India has already purchased the Green Pine radar system and the Phalcon early-warning aircraft from Israel. Between the Israeli offer and the US, India is likely to bend the Washington way because of the long-term political and strategic implications attached to the purchase.

    The second reason is the role that the US expects India to play in the international security structure, once US Secretary of State Colin Powell is out of the picture and Rice takes command of the foreign office. Rumsfeld, Vice President **** Cheney and Rice have never been comfortable with Powell’s even hand to China with the intention of engaging the Asian giant in trade and security matters. Powell’s China-centric Asian approach has never gone down well with the neo-conservatives who control the Bush administration. The neo-cons prefer India to act as an effective check on the military and economic might of China. Rice has also never been comfortable with Powell’s mollycoddling of Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf. Under Rice, Musharraf (who is on his way to Washington to meet with Bush) will continue to be very important to the US, but not at the cost of relations with India. With Powell out of the way, the path is clear and the arms offer is the first real indication of a more proactive India policy under Rice.

    Russia, meanwhile, is far from impressed with the deal. On Tuesday, officials told Delhi that Moscow would no longer transfer any high-technology defense system to India without a pact to protect intellectual property rights, and said India’s bid to buy the United States’ Patriot anti-missile system would not work on Russian-supplied platforms.

    “If India will not fully honor our interests, then there is no need to attach strings, conditions and demands from Russia not to trade [in arms] with Pakistan,” an unnamed Russian Defense Ministry source was quoted as saying by the state-run RIA Novosti agency, ahead of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to India.

    Pointing out that currently, at the request of India, Moscow is not cooperating with Islamabad in the defense sector, the official said that if India does not keep Russia’s interests in mind, military ties with Pakistan can be resumed.

    in reply to: IAF Thread : Dec 2004+ #2638762
    Tiger_01
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    There is an upgrade planned for the IAF jaguars.

    in reply to: Your best pics of 2004 #2638869
    Tiger_01
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    Not sharp but still it is one of the best pics sofar! Thanks Nirav.

    in reply to: IAF Thread : Dec 2004+ #2638913
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    >>>It would be foolish to even consider the IAF Jaguar Gr-1 with the PAF mirages. There is a generational gap in terms of the avionics, armaments, and EW. At the recently concluded exercises in Alaska, the IAF Jaguars were assigned the team leader role because of their excellent performance that too against the incomparable US air defence. The Mirages are obsolete aircraft and can you specify what are the upgrades involved.

    What is your source? The forces are allways potrayed as super superior. I doubt that the reality is that clear. I have seen enough Jaguar internationals. Just like Mirages 3/5. Your assumption that one is a sitting duck sounds not very correct. You do know what a few mirages and even fewer exocets did in Falklands? I would love to believe you if the Jaguar ever achieved the same results. Besides that we are talking about land attack. About IAF being superior in training. Love to see some non Indian source.

    in reply to: IAF Thread : Dec 2004+ #2639137
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    I agree that India has more to spend. Bigger nation so not very strange. I doubt that PAF would not able to buy 40 gripens. Those mirages were bought cause they are familiar and it is pretty cheap for the quality. I mean compared to Chinese alternatives. The mirages are upgraded and are not bad even for these days. BTW the mirages have the same role as the IAF Jaguars. Do compare both cocpits will ya. The reason the do not have the plane yet isn’t economics. It is the situation. But knowing Indian parameters of no boycottable product. I guess the Gripen is there just a hype. I am waiting for the 125 mirages. The rest is just to get the price down.

    in reply to: the tactics and maneuvers to outmaneuver BVRs #2639145
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    jamming, decoy, hiding or moving out of range.

    in reply to: IAF Thread : Dec 2004+ #2639170
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    Where did you get info that India is not intrested in Gripen and Pak is that bad that it cannot afford Gripen? 😉 :diablo:

    btw the nice mki pic is PS. Shadowd on plane sugest sun above. I don’t think that the sun is at that spot for the rest of the scenery.

    file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Falcon/Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.IE5/Z6SNJPGL/su-30mki%5B1%5D.jpg

    in reply to: PAF Thread: IV #2639281
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    Posting empty in paf topics is allowed? Let us try to the same in Indian topics. You know, the nation with mig21 as its backbone.

    in reply to: Pakistani news, pics and speculation thread #2640397
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    Plutonium? Where did they get that? Not from those enrichment factories.

    in reply to: Pakistani news, pics and speculation thread #2640403
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    Still not comparable with multiple nukes in a ballistic missiles with low reaction time. I rather would worry about Pakistan testing day after day improved missiles or maybe cruisemissile then those uncapable of nuclear delivery F16. Yes, Pakistan made those changes to get them ready for the nuclear role. But US removed some parts before delivery to prevent it. Somehow that stratgey did not work out.

    in reply to: Pakistani news, pics and speculation thread #2640423
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    Since PAF is largest mirage user and the fc1 will replace those mirages it is a win win for both. The fact that PAF was seeking for French avionics is long time known. The secret is still that PAF is intrested in French avionics in J10. Shhht.

    in reply to: Pakistani news, pics and speculation thread #2640443
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    Probably because it’s no big secret that the F-16 is one of Pakistan’s assigned nuclear delivery vehicles. India uses the Jaguar and Mirage 2000, so buying the Su-30MKI did nothing to affect their nuclear deterrent capability.

    What does that add if Pakistan has multiple missiles that have longer range and faster speed then the F16? BTW There are more planes in pak inventory able to that. Your reason is not the one…

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