Tiger_01Even Indian press report are showing troubles in that area. Nitin, It is not that bad to admit that there are problems and that corrections are planned. I have a post that is fun but shows the reality. Maybe we should move away from pride and face reality.
On October 8, the Indian Air Force celebrated its 72 nd raising day. An event made more significant by the fact that it marked the 50 th anniversary of Air Marshal Subroto Mukherjee’s taking over as the first Indian Chief of the IAF. Apart from the Air Force Day parade, another perennial feature of the raising day celebrations has been the annual press conference of the Chief of Air Staff. This year, the Chief of Air Staff and Chairman, Chief of Staffs Committee ACM S. Krishnaswamy spoke of the achievements of the air force and its future plans. The recent losses of three Mirage 2000 aircraft in two months, depleting force levels and plans for modernisation were among the issues weighing heavy on his mind and the chief said that a court of enquiry has been ordered to investigate the cause of these accidents (another Mirage crashed a few days after the press conference, taking the toll to four). He stressed that there was no reason to doubt the abilities of the proven aircraft. After the press conference ACM Krishnaswamy spoke briefly, but exclusively, with FORCE. Talking with FORCE correspondent Ajit Dubey, he said that unlike the other two services, the air force does not believe in writing its doctrine. Ironically, the first doctrine of the Indian Air Force was written in 1995 under the signature of the then Air Chief Marshal S.K. Kaul.
Tiger_01http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle….storyID=6834081
WASHINGTON, Nov 16 (Reuters) – The Pentagon notified Congress on Tuesday about three proposed arms deals with Pakistan, a key ally in the U.S.-led war on terror, including the sale of eight P-3C Orion surveillance aircraft valued at up to $970 million.
The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, which handles foreign arms sales for the Pentagon, said it also planned to sell Pakistan 2,000 TOW-2A missiles and 14 TOW-2A Fly-to-Buy missiles in a deal valued at $82 million.
Pakistan had also requested the sale of six PHALANX rapid-fire 20-millimeter guns for Pakistan surface ships, and the upgrade of six additional gun systems, a contract worth up to $155 million, the agency said.
Lawmakers now have 30 days to block the proposed arms sales, but defense officials and congressional sources said that was considered extremely unlikely.
The Pentagon said the proposed arms agreements would help “improve the security of a friendly country that has been and continues to be an important force for economic progress in South Asia and the global war on terrorism.”
It said the P-3C aircraft, built by Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) , would improve Pakistan’s ability to restrict the movement of militants along its southern border, in particular, and improve border security everywhere.
The Raytheon Co. (RTN.N: Quote, Profile, Research) TOW missiles had recently been employed in the tribal areas of Pakistan, giving the Pakistani government new tools in its fight to combat terrorism, DSCA said.
Raytheon, based in Waltham, Massachusetts, also produces the PHALANX gun systems, which DSCA said Pakistan would use to beef up the defenses of its surface ships against inbound aircraft, missiles, and fast-moving surface craft.
The United States dropped sanctions against Pakistan after the country backed the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijacking attacks.
This past March, Pakistan was named a major non-NATO U.S. ally, making it easier for it to acquire U.S. weapons.
© Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved.
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Tiger_01Ahum this one is new to me.
Tiger_01What is the URL?
Can’t find it anymore. Sorry. Here another cockpit picture. I think ft2000 or L15. Not sure.
Tiger_01So China has adopted the one piece windshield on the G? There are some more pics on a chinese forum but not of the avionics. I had one other cockpit picture of the G… But after looking closer it is the Fc1. Look at the wingtips.
Tiger_01As usual the pathetic personal bashing.
Tiger_01>>>Why have some republican congressmen brought up a bill titled “Nuclear Black Market Elimination Act”?
We know about quality of some presidents so does a congressman represent intellectuallity? Think about mr Pallone. The one that is paid to flame towards Pakistan. Maybe you should less put your sights on titles and stop personal flaming. As expected you have no idea what exactly mr Khan added to the Pakistani project. Maybe think about that. And we also know that Indian nuclear scientist are banned for doing the same except no one want to talk loud about that. Funny that diverting attention towards nuclear terrorism is the only thing some posters can do. Can we return to the subject? Sunshine.
Here part of an article:
The US State Department on Wednesday imposed sanctions on him and Dr Y S R Prasad, another former CMD of NPCIL, for allegedly providing sensitive technology or equipment to Iran.
“It is a serious matter where an Indian scientist is maligned by the US State Department, I will be taking up the issue with the DAE and MEA immediately,” he said. “The State Department has no right to spoil the peaceful life of a retired Indian nuclear scientist,” Ch Surender said.
Prasad, who was working on a Russian nuclear power project in Iran after his retirement, said, “There is a mistake — total mistake. There is no reason for imposing any sanction.”
Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Dr Anil Kakodkar said what the US State Department has done was “totally unjustified.”
sshhhhhttt…. Don’t speak.
Tiger_01Golden Arrow. No need to hide behind the mask. As for any other nation deliveries are attached yet you love to point at one nation. I favour even these conditions to keep Pakistan on track and let the fundamentalist be scared if they tend to destroy the co-operative movement at the moment. Your remarks are ungrounded BS. Indonesia met same faith as lots of others. Both India and Pakistan had faced serious boycots and there is a reason for that. I am not talking about Indian nuclear contact with Iran so you keep it cool and return to aviation logic. Khan isn’t an important person in reality. And it is stupid to keep on trying to flame.
Tiger_01The US uses netcentric ans mass approach. So they force is combined. In isolating a few planes and downsizing their launch parameters you surely have different results. Thoug I have to add that it does not mean that IAF is not good. I think that IAF has not only proud heritage but also enough experience to make the average shock.
Tiger_01The pro Kerry support of the Indian lobby was not very wise. With Bush visiting Muslims but skipping Hindu party, the reaction was clear. With US getting more victims in Irac no is hoping to see terrorists. Pakistan is doing a great job. Hope to see more positive results in this war.
Tiger_01The funny part is that IAF has told openly that PAF getting F16’s wouldn’t make much difference and this guy is busy with writing the usual rhetoric. Funny that guys like Blackwill and Pallone are obsessed. The goodies are not only providing US more control but also a first front against terrorism. I agree that education and economic is important but sofar a part of those funds is directed to that section. Without these weapons Pakistan will face tough times combatting terrorism. Sofar they showed progress in Wana operations but with more and better weapons the terrorist will be crushed. The sooner they can do that the better for the rest of the world.
Tiger_01I still think that it would be wiser to invest that money in LCA program and make it even better then those imported. The plane had some politcal problems and that isn’t shocking cause budget or political weather is important rudder for most projects of that kind. LCA is as important for India as J10 for China. Getting more Migs or Mirages will only shift the problem to the future.
Here an eye opener!
While the private sector produces, PSUs monopolise
By Ajit Dubey
In its post-independence history of 57 years, India has always depended on foreign countries, mainly the erstwhile USSR , for its military needs. Though the government established the DRDO (Defence Research and Development needs of its military, decades later the dream of indigenisation has remained just that. Invoking the ghost of national security time and again, the government studiously kept the private sector out of defence production. As a result, the Indian defence public sector undertakings (DPSUs) have become the second largest employer in the country but have achieved little success in the development of any indigenous systems. Even collaborations with foreign manufacturers have not yielded the desired results. Too many stories of delays, under quality products and cost over-runs follow in the foot-steps of Indian- made systems.
All efforts to develop a domestic defence production capability have failed to meet the expectations and the Indian armed forces still remain heavily dependent on imports. However, t he recent developments in the Indian industry have been encouraging as the government has set up a committee under Dr Vijay Kelkar to explore the role of the private sector in defence production. Many government officials and even the defence minister have said that the government would ensure a wider role for the private sector. But still, no concrete policy has been announced as yet.
Tiger_01As expected the pro-India has objected. Here from HT.
Frank Pallone urges Bush to block arms sale to Pak
Indo-Asian News Service
Washington, November 19
“Leading” US Congressman Frank Pallone has urged President George W Bush to block the proposed arms sale to Pakistan, saying it would “contribute to increased security concerns” throughout South Asia, particularly India.
[I doubt that India will be scared. It has quality and quantity advantages for decades. And even with these weapons it will not be in danger. Mr Pallone is a puppet that as usual objects anything to Pakistan. Probably more related to votes for staying in Congress then real politics]
Pallone, Democrat from New Jersey and founder of the Congressional Caucus on India and Indian Americans, termed the Pentagon’s proposal to sell weapons to Pakistan as “short-sighted”, adding, “Foreign military assistance to Pakistan has oftentimes been used against India.”
[If that makes any difference. Should we then let Pakistan undeveloped and unarmed so more terrorists will be born out of poor or fundamentalist regions? Pakistan played important part and leaving it will not only moral but also political and economical unwise]
The US Department of Defence (DoD) announced on Wednesday a proposal to sell weapons to Pakistan, including eight P-3C Orion surveillance aircraft valued at up to $970 million, 2,000 TOW-2A missiles and 14 TOW-2A Fly-to-Buy missiles valued at $82 million.
[purely defensive equipment that will not shift any ballance but add US control]
In his letter, Pallone said, “I urge you to re-examine the interests and priorities of the US and to take a strong position against selling arms to Pakistan, both now and in the future.”
[One sided and unrelated to reality]
“Your administration’s policies with respect to military assistance and now, military sales to Pakistan are contributing to increased security concerns throughout South Asia, and particularly to India.”
[Throughout Asia? Or only India? Sounds not very reliable to me. India will not even be in danger if they start selling reasonable quantities of F16c/d]
We all agree that Pakistan has been an ally in the global war on terror, however, Pakistan has not taken steps to end terrorism in its own backyard and foreign military assistance to Pakistan has oftentimes been used against India.”
[Agree that it helped. That terrorism is arab related not Pakistan related. Thanks to bombing Afgjhanistan they shifted to Pakistan. With leaving it there make the whole world dangerous. What is next. Bombing Pakistan in a few decades? Mr Pallone should think about kind of Marshall help for those nations. That will reduce poverty and improve education. By just leaving them to rot it will make more terrorists in the future]
In the letter, Pallone also expressed disappointment over the ‘major non-NATO alliance’ status that was bestowed upon Pakistan, saying, “It allowed Islamabad to purchase military equipment not normally sanctioned to a country that is not under democratic rule.”
[It is just an empty status. Compares to other nations it has been a window-dressing. And democracy is not a guarantee that things are correct. Some democratic political actions are worser then dictatorships. Mr Pallone should pay a visit and then judge. And if democracy is that perfect then why did it not work out nicely for that nation several times? btw I do never support military rule but that doesn’t mean the other option is the only correct one.]
“Pakistan unfortunately continues to remain under military rule and is not taking meaningful steps to return to a democracy, therefore I support democracy sanctions that would prohibit military assistance to Pakistan entirely,” Pallone said.
[Well. Why not destroy military power and leave it like Irac… That will help a lot.]
“Moreover, I feel that it is unprecedented for the Pentagon to be engaging in weapons sales with Pakistan due to its political instability.”
[Why is this guy never opposing sales to the neighbouring nation… I don’t think that has to do anything with logic.]
Tiger_01Those conformal tanks would be handy to replace wingtanks. And it still has IFR in planning. But I doubt that the FC1 will be used as deep strike attack plane. It is a light fighterjet with BVR. No need for heavy ground ordnance or huge fuel reserves.
Tiger_01Cause Gripen will replace Mig21 which is less then any fighterjet in IAF service. The LCA was developed to replace mig21 but reading comments here on this forum it has been evolved into more and better then Gripen, hence. 🙂
So the LCA will replace probably something more potent.
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