Nothing of the sort, Hopsalittle. The user need changed. Don’t misrepresent history.
If it had been designed with all the space inside for what was later hung on the outside it would have looked like a modernized F-105 or a single-engine Tornado. And if you need to do air-superiority you can unbolt the CFTs, hang 370gal tanks and go do it, while Foat Wuff Fats remains Foat Wuff Fats whatever you do.
It’s quite difficult to estimate the weight impact of providing space for internal equipment, although (if you think about it for five seconds) every cubic foot of airframe volume adds weight and drag, which in turn means more fuel, more volume and weight – so there’s a growth factor.
Harry Hillaker said that restricting volume (and driving systems people to miniaturize and pack things more efficiently) was a big factor in the F-16 design. On the other hand, the F-16 was a fighter, and the F-35 is primarily a bomber.
Posting pre-coffee again.
Although let’s also review how many things have met their “objective” KPPs rather than scraping over the thresholds before we all get too excited. (Not the F-35 for sure.) In this case, it could be that the study is by way of seeing what it will take to meet objective for AARGM-ER.
Since the idea seems to be making the weapon more compact while increasing its range, preferably without introducing AB propulsion, this could get interesting.
HARM and AARGM are external weapons. Sounds like an attempt to increase the Navy’s interest level in F-35C.
Precisely, Sintra. The issue for the U.S. is that the biggest single piece of the acquisition budget is something that adds no value over cheaper alternatives in Afghanistan-type conflicts and hasn’t got the range for China.
Basement-dweller willy-waving is rampant. There is data that shows what happens to F-35 range per pound of fuel with external load. Just because the pylons can theoretically take x thousand pounds doesn’t mean that the capability is there to do it over a useful distance. But delude yourselves as you wish, fankiddies.
What range do we expect out of the F-35 with bombs on four pylons and AIM-9Xs outboard?
Has physics changed in 50 years? Do missiles go faster today than back then? You can put gps on a scud, its still a scud. If you make it dance around it will.just use up fuel. Its physics.
Well, no, because it’s already used its fuel by the time you maneuver. As for energy, don’t forget that a ballistic missile or an artillery shell will reach the ground at the same velocity at which it left the barrel or finished boost, minus air resistance. Some of that energy is useful if you have a penetrating warhead, but most of it is not, so you do what any glider does and trade it for maneuver or distance along the ground.
VN – Which contracts would those be? Not Korea, which I believe is the only real competition (not a beauty contest) where prices were on the table for both the F-35 and a European competitor.
Any grown-up knows how unreliable a comparison of two completely different deals can be.
And – good Lord, it’s good news when the F-35 defeats an airplane designed 63 years ago as a low-cost, carrier-based bomber? How well would it do against an equal-cost formation of A-4s?
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There’s a reason it’s called “initial”. That is a word that, like totally means something in like, the English language.
I do find it illuminating, however, that we’re going back to the Tornado F2 to find a comparison to 2B…
Block 2B did not exist at the onset of the program. The Marines were supposed to be operational with Block 2, but it was not defined as 2B is today. In those days, even Block 1 had weapons.
Robbie – Were the concrete-nose F2s declared operational?
Feddykins – Why should I be unhappy? What un-anticipated developments have occurred? DOT&E and others have chronicled the process by which evaluations have been eliminated (the latest being the OUE, ditched in 2014) to protect the Marine IOC schedule, and how “work-arounds” have been introduced to bypass deficiencies in fusion and ALIS. Not that the Marine IOC was regarded as important in any strategic sense, but it had to be gotten out of the way to minimize its impact on 3F, which is the capability that actually matters to some extent.
Let me stand corrected. The limitations have been acknowledged in one program document that about 0.00000000001 per cent of the public knows about, released several years ago.
Fedaykin’s sputterings aside, I know of no fighter in recent years that has entered service with so many restrictions and without any public acknowledgment of its limitations. (The French, by contrast, were entirely open about the limited role of the Rafale F1.)
I believe this is also the first U.S. fighter in many years to enter service without a formal IOT&E or Opeval.
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But seriously, I congratulate all involved. The feat of declaring IOC with an MMO=1.2, 5g-capable, 40kft ceiling fighter with a max warload of 2 AAMs and two 1 klb bombs is unparalleled in recent times. I don’t think anyone’s done that since the Dassault Etendard entered service.