Er, nothing to do with saboteurs from the inside.
As well as getting 36 fighters, Brazil is building a production system for 70+ more domestic aircraft, starting the process of learning to become a high-performance fighter prime, getting lead status in the Latin American market and preparing to build a large proportion of every Gripen sold. Brazil is also getting very easy financial terms that it needs to jump-start military modernization. None of this is secret, so you look rather silly when you ignore it.
That would be this contract?
vleugelmoer – The minister was correct. Offering a fixed-price contract is impossible at this time, not to mention illegal (unless the US gets the same terms for the same delivery date).
djc – NSA? Edward Snowden?
BTW, seeing F-35 fans get all excited about OEW changes is amusing.
Even so, that is a useful load of 18,750 pounds, which is not too bad, being somewhat more than empty weight – that would be equivalent to an F-35A with 13,000 lb of internal and external stores, or a short-runway-capable B with 22,000 lb of stores.
djc – I think before making such a sweeping statement you might want to consider issues such as U.S. security restrictions, anti-tamper provisions, and the practicality or otherwise of sustaining operations if (for instance) all the operator’s ALIS log-ons were to become invalid.
vn – Well, the fact that Sweden, with 55 per cent of the Netherlands’ GDP, can somehow afford 2x as many fighters could be indicative.
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The Cloggies have been operating on a largely fixed budget for their fighter program, to the best of my knowledge. They were shown a fixed-price offer for 85 JAS 39Es for that money, but turned it down. The budget has not been reduced, but now buys 37 JSFs instead of the planned 85.
As for the Swiss deal: Has anyone here ever produced a valid comparison between one nation’s deal and another’s?
People who are frightfully upset about AFs having anything less than the latest and most expensive see no problem with planning that ensures that for most of the next 10 years, the USAF’s largest single fighter fleet will comprise F-16s with 1980s radars and primitive receive-only EW.
The Canadians appear (and I have not yet read the full report) to have twigged something quite important:
Stealth is valuable, but is not equally valuable for every fighter mission.
It is most useful for deep attack (but you can do a lot of that with cruise missiles, and that’s an economic calculus that includes any LCC premium for a stealth aircraft).
It’s potentially useful for air-to-air, to the extent that sensors, weapons and RoE permit you to take advantage of it throughout the kill chain. Otherwise, you’re standing there in a ghillie suit with a super scope and a .38 pistol.
It’s not a lot of use for CAS/BAI…. and so on.
The usual reasoned commentary from the fan community…
FBW – Again with the “joke” line. You are one funny guy. Actually he’s publishing a late response from the program office.
MSphere – I suspect that if the F-35 had an IRST, certain people would credit it with the ability to detect, track and identify a common wren at 1200 miles range.
Spud
1. The EF’s IRST determines range based on a laser range finder which is limited to ~20nm (only good against air targets, not AAMs)
Er, no. IRST can use passive ranging (basically, lock on and wiggle the airplane) or multiship ranging. I believe that EF already has the former, at least.
2. The EF’s IRST would have to be looking at the F-35’s AAM launch when it happened to even get an idea of where it launched from.
Well, yes. On the other hand, the motor would have to complete its initial burn in less time than the IRST takes for a scan to have any chance of evading detection, and that is unlikely.
I see a lot of “hopes” and “should” in the operating-cost story. Trouble is, by the time we know if that’s reality-based or not, it’s too late. Basically, we’re 5-10 years past the time when we should have big strategic-level “hopes” and “should” to worry about.
Loo – look up “congruent”. And I save respect for those who give and deserve it.
Spud – What Oblig said. Your basic resolution problem with EODAS should give you some sloppy tracking at long range. Also, I’m envisioning one of the F-35s in the 5th Gen Z-Axis Combat Cloud flipping inverted to keep the missile target in the EOTS FoR.
Double Nope. Post-SDD R&D will be covered by an R&D line item labelled something like “F-35 Squadrons” similar to the “F-22 Squadrons” line today. It is absolutely not written into procurement budgets or contracts. Basic stuff.