Hoppy,
The F-35 to date has been involved in a maximum of three competitions – that is, selection processes in which all parties had to make binding offers based on a single set of requirements. Anything else is politics or a beauty contest, and anyone who argues otherwise is a chucklehead.
The first was the JSF SDD selection, which LM won with a design that could not be built and a price and schedule that were pure fiction.
The second was Japan, which was as much of a black box as any Japanese defense procurement.
The third was Korea, where it lost fair and square, but was granted a political mulligan.
Now consider the cases of the Netherlands and Canada, where LM and its shill squad fought and are fighting to avoid an open competition.
It is of course not illegal to hire former officers as “consultants” or even as employees. It is not in any sense bribery, which is an inducement to a government or corporate employee to act in a certain way in their official capacity. Many former USAF officers are on company payrolls or consultant lists, and it would be surprising if none of the former RoKAF bosses were in that position. So no more ranting and blathering about conspiracy theories, please.
That said, I believe that a lot of active and former RoKAF leaders were keen to get their hands on the F-35’s stealth technology.
But guess what? It is not their final decision to make. The defense ministry and national government have a voice.
The original requirement balanced individual aircraft capability against force numbers, while respecting other defense and national needs, by setting a price ceiling.
The F-35 should have come in well under that ceiling if LockMart statements about its cost were accurate, but they were not, and that may have undermined the decision process. The RoK defense ministry, DAPA and the government as a whole made the mistake of believing LockMart, and set a price ceiling that (I believe) they were confident all contenders could meet.
When this approach yielded the wrong answer (in the view of some of RoKAF and most of Washington) things had to be changed hastily, and (as noted above) it would be amazing if no money changed hands.
When they say that the aircraft have not been grounded, they mean that it’s still OK for them to go to the mall with Lyndsey or have a sleepover at Madison’s as long as that’s fine with her Mom. Just no flying!
//> sticks another pin into wax model of PTMS
Ha ha very funny FBW!
All of us who were saying through 2010 that the schedule (that still officially had USAF IOC in 2013 and Navy in 2015) was moonshine, that it would be the latter teens before anyone delivered an F-35A for less than an F-22, that land VLs would be restricted and that the operating cost goal was over-optimistic are just as embarrassed as all get out.
And one point (of many) about the sales brochure published by Breaking Defense: In what Block do we get all this fabulous cyber-stuff, tested, validated and ready for war?
PS Nice stuff Tu-22M. Been a while since I heard the expression “samverkan”.
That’s the standard that F-35 fans apply to skeptics. So possibly, yes.
Welcome to the wacky world of the F-35’s supporters, where not increasing the cash burn rate in an attempt to recover schedule (which would have been asinine in any case) is described as a “cut”, and the customer’s belated recognition that neither the design nor the production line was ready for full-rate production, and that they didn’t want to end up in 2017 with several hundred non-operational aircraft, is considered a political/budget move that undermined the program’s economics.
Sintra is right, although he only got to 1990, and not the long period in the 90s when the Germans wanted to scrap the whole thing and would not sign the full development contract, with the result that when that did eventually happen, all the tech standards had changed to the point where they needed a new batch of development aircraft.
Spud – As you know very well, the Typhoon and Rafale programs – while they have had technical delays, for sure – were heavily hit by political and fiscal decisions and indecisions that have not affected JSF.
Also, while JSF is indeed complex, complexity is not a virtue, and not necessarily related to effectiveness.
Compared with the girth of the fan and the engine, the diameter difference between a Mk83 and a Mk84 is pretty small. I would compare the LMT CALF and JSF demo designs: the body shape is not that different.
RD – I’m sorry for your fatigue, but facts are facts, and the single engine, wingspan and short fuselage, not to mention the broad cross-section aft of the cockpit, are all STOVL-driven. Conversely, designing a CV/CTOL configuration can be done quite easily. Ask the French.
Saab has a record of low-cost, on-time development of high-performance aircraft (not just prototypes) that cost less to acquire and operate than their competitors.
I do not think that there has been much in the way of confirmation that the F-22 can use its radar in jam mode. And just to remind FBW and the other fans, the JSF is not operational.
Also, the ALR-94 was certainly hot stuff in its day in terms of ESM-like capability, and the ASQ-239 is also (no doubt) capable, the ROW has not been idle since the -239 spec was written.
I am well aware of the marketing pitch on durable, maintainable LO.
I was given an exactly parallel pitch, albeit with different details, 16 years ago on the F-22. How did that work out?
http://www.tyndall.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2013/08/130701-F-DY859-004.JPG
http://www.tyndall.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123359148
The USN has conceded the need to make sure that the skin is salt-free (salt is conductive). As for the austere basing for the F-35B, Spud, could you tell us when that was tested? When it will be tested this side of IOC? When we’ll see some VLs or rolling/creeping VLs on a surface typical of a third-world runway?
PS – Since 2004 or so, FUD has beaten the carp out of blind faith in program marketing when it comes to predicting the trajectory of this project.
I find it somewhat amusing after the endless talk about the supposed death spiral facing the F-35 that when the Gripen loses some 20% of its total orders in a day that all people around here seem to have to say is “well, more workshare for everyone else… “
Could this be because the Armadillo’s business plan is based on 150->200 jets per year, and Gripen’s is not? Makes a difference. But I am happy that your mind, such as it is, derived some amusement from your misapprehension.
The majority of the VLO Features are inherent to the shape of the F-35B and cannot be “undone”.
Except by a dousing of salt water or a quick dirtblasting with hot asphalt, that is…
This would have been very bad news for the Gripen six months ago. Today, it’s no fun – but it does free some industrial participation for Brazil, and makes it easier for Saab and the SAF to support a transition lease.