This is an old thread….
But still very much alive with interest in the Wednesfield area.
An update….On 17 May 2015 myself and Ivan carpenter joined approx 50 other people at the crash site to take part in a church service to remember ‘our’ fallen crew men. Again the matter was covered by the Express & Star:
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/05/18/lancaster-air-crash-crew-remembered/
My own research with several eye witnesses to the crash has revealed that RF124 could have been on it’s final few minutes of flight from almost all directions of the compass. One witness states he also saw a crew member on the wing before it crashed. (Not impossible as we know from Sergeant Norman Jackson, 106 Squadron, RAFVR who won the VC for doing a similar thing)
I now have a copy of the RAF investigation report that simply states that RF124 was out of control in an inverted vertical dive before hitting the ground. East Kirby ground crew also stated that the pilot (Hall) and the F/engineer (O’Donnell) had talked about swapping seats once the training flight was underway.
So If we use common sense, the RAF explanation seems to be more accurate in as much as if the plane had been flying at low level and had crash landed the airframe would not have been so severely damaged. RF124 would not have left a crater big enough to put a house in if it had belly flopped onto a road/field.
Much was made during talking after the memorial service about the plane being seen from different directions, one suggestion was that the crew had carried out a ‘U’ turn to try to land on the crash site (field) The facts would be that there would be no need for them to do this as the area was almost all fields so the crew could have continued on whatever heading they liked and still have attempted a belly landing. I also doubt very much if it would have been a wise move to attempt to make a tree top high turn in a Lancaster that is clearly ‘going down’
Perhaps the main item is that at last talks are being held over a permanent memorial near the crash scene and that these lads will not be forgotten by this and future generations…….We will remember them.
Great link…..Looks like quite a restricted view out that cockpit window….
BUT…..On a seperate issue was anyone aware of this operation prior to the prog going out?
I was aware of the great feats of the photo flyers but never realised just how the PI’s were involved and the use of the intel gained…Fantastic insight into the back room shiny ar*es….They must have saved countless lives..
Ha ha….Well looks like we all enjoyed it then …
They wouldn’t last five minutes around here…..All that aluminium would be on the back of a Ford Transit flat back pronto quick….The rag and bone trumpets would be sounding loudly Ha Ha..
Great pics though.
Could be Kev
Strange though that twgpp show that they have a photograph and details of Southworth..
Looks like I may have to dig my lead lined money-box out of its nuclear attack proof 55 foot concrete covered resting place at the bottom of my garden and pay twgpp for the photo…Arghhhhh.
Drat and triple drat,
Despite Halcyon days very best efforts, he was unable to locate the grave.
So if anyone else is passing?
Kindest regards to Halcyon Days
Graham
Halcyon days,
You have a PM
Many thanks for your assistance in this matter
Graham
Cheers guys….I could have blagged that one but my dad always said “if you don’t ask you will never know”
This forum really is the dogs do-dahs…
Graham
BMD records have a Vincent R Southworth born in the June quarter of 1925 (April, May or June) and the birth registered in the Paddington District. Mother’s name was Dillam. The reference should you require a birth certificate is Paddington Volume 1a page 4. Other than that we can’t narrow it down any further than his being 19 or 20 depending on whether his birthday was prior to or after the crash.
Edited because I clearly haven’t got a clue how to do a search on TWGPP. I have used them in the past and found them very accommodating.
Regards,
kev35
Kev
Thanks for that….Sorry for being thick but what is/are BMD records ( I’m new to all this as you know and being from Wednesfield dont help 😀 )
I have an enthusiast colleague in Watford. I will ask him.
Many thanks……That would be brilliant if a date of birth can be identified.
As with all things in researching these aviation heroes it’s just great to know who they were and where they were from.
I will have a play with the links, cheers.
Graham
Blimey ‘we’ do get excited about things on here. IMHO it was an enjoyable docu that was not designed to copy the raid or reconstruct the actual events, it was simply to try and rediscover the science behind the bombs, their release and could they be put in the right place.
I also subscribe to a WW1 forum and the blokes on there were all up in arms about the wrong buttons on an officers uniform sleeve when a docu about the Somme was televised.
I think sometimes ‘we’ have to take a prog for what it actualy is…… entertainment for the masses not the anoraks….
I also think Arnie is quite used to taking risks if he’s a forest fire water dumper and needs no lessons on flying from any of us armchair jockeys.
Right I am prepared for incoming (Tin hat is on)
Hah ! At last
The ONLY real reason to watch the event.
Wifey wants to see the frock, daughter wants to see Harry and I’ll be watching the flyby. Result.
roadracer
Thanks, but seen these links already. PM’s and e-mails already exchanged with the parties involved.
Gents,
Thanks very much so it IS possible to get out on the wing. If Sgt Norman Jackson VC can do it at 20K feet I’m pretty sure its possible at less than 500 feet. This all adds to the mystery.