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November 19, 2006 at 8:38 am in reply to: F-84F Questions #2519271

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Reading the above, I think you are somewhat confused all round. 🙂

November 18, 2006 at 11:56 am in reply to: What became of all the BoB Film "Heinkels" #1302815

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Were the two used in desert markings in “Patton” then current Spanish machines or had they been sold on?

November 17, 2006 at 12:53 pm in reply to: What became of all the BoB Film "Heinkels" #1303802

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I saw an intact one in a hangar at West Malling in Dec 71 ( Still owned by H. Mahaddie I was told)
Then I think “Saafend ” had one which may have been the one that ended up as a film extra. At least one was at Cuatro Veintos and of course OFMC retrieved one by air (via CH-53!) to U.K. in late 90’s. Neil Williams went into the Pyrenees ferrying one to U.K., At least one went to Germany -allegedly to be re-engined. Then there was the CAF saga.
Sad to think that the Spanish seem now ( thanks DDM) to have chopped up most of the rest.

November 17, 2006 at 12:42 pm in reply to: Unbelievable #1303824

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Its not just modern memorials or a particularly modern crime. The Napoleonic POW’s French Eagle memorial that used to be by the Northern lane of the A1 near Alconbury was thieved in the 1980’s IIRC.
There will be more to come no doubt.

November 17, 2006 at 7:21 am in reply to: F-84F Questions #2520761

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It might possibly be that the F84F is now an Historic Aircraft and that this is the Modern Military Aviation Thread.

November 16, 2006 at 6:37 pm in reply to: BoB Combat Report Question #1304786

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The Bf 110 is referred to as the Jaguar in one of the editions of Aircraft of The Fighting Powers. I can’t lay my hands on it at the moment to say which year.

AoTFP Vol1 (the wartime reprint) on page 49 refers to the Jaguar (incorrectly) as a “specially modified bomber version.” of the 110.
I ditched my original Vol 1 many years ago, which may well have had further errors. As stated previously ,the wartime Penguin Saville-Sneath “Aircraft Recognition” also was confused on the issue.

November 16, 2006 at 5:26 pm in reply to: BoB Combat Report Question #1304938

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Early RAF name for the Bf.110, intelligence on the Bf 110 was still scant early in the BoB period as Fighter Command had only recently encountered them during the Dunkirk evacuation.Why the name Jaguar was used I havn’t the fogiest as the RAF didn’t have a name for other German aircraft.

The name “Jaguar” was from the Germans themselves and used as part of a disinformation campaign using shots of the prototype Bf 162s.
The Bf 110 was a different beast. Recognition confusion helped cloud the whole issue.

November 16, 2006 at 2:58 pm in reply to: F-84F Questions #2521115

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They also played the part of Korean War MiGs in the execrable “Tiger in the Sky” (Starring Alan Ladd by memory) around about ’57.
Released as “The Archie Bunker Story” or something similarly daft in the USA

November 16, 2006 at 1:54 pm in reply to: F-84F Questions #2521165

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“I think that was actually a serious question despite the fact that the poster in question butchered the spelling of Ouragon.”

Like Borat perhaps?
And not the only one to butcher the spelling of Ouragan I notice.

November 16, 2006 at 1:14 pm in reply to: F-84F Questions #2521189

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If I understand your question right, you are asking if the F-84 is a copy of the Dassault Ouragan .

So, no, it isn’t. The F-84 was a jet powered evolution of the P-47.

Are you quite sure that somebody isn’t just making a monkey out of you?

November 16, 2006 at 12:58 pm in reply to: BoB Combat Report Question #1305325

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I don’t think the Bf 162 “Jaguar” ever saw action in the skies over the U.K., if it came into front line service at all. Only a very few were built and soon relegated to R&D. It was in contemporary U.K. recognition books however, ( Penguins “Saville Sneath ” AFAIK where its “glass’ nose was a recognition feature.
The report was of probably misidentified 110’s along with the reports of “He 113’s” and all the other confusion of the time.

November 14, 2006 at 7:52 am in reply to: Axis use of Spitfires during BoB. #1308473

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Is the captured Spit the same one in BoB doco footage where you see it go down smoking in front of a He111.I ask this as I remember the mention of the wing roundels being a LOT closer to the fuselage than on a standard MkI/II spit:D

They indeed are in that photo, as they are in the shot in #13 on this thread . More like the positioning of German markings.

November 13, 2006 at 3:43 pm in reply to: Axis use of Spitfires during BoB. #1309418

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Captured Spits DID fly, occasionally, with roundels for use in propaganda pics/films – there are plenty shots floating around of one in spurious markings (“G-X”, if I’m not mistaken).
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E.g. Enclosed

November 13, 2006 at 1:52 pm in reply to: Axis use of Spitfires during BoB. #1309624

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[QUOTE=CSheppardholedi]I recall in the classic file “Battle of Britain” Herr Goering asked the local Fighter commander if there was anything he needed, and he replied “yes, a squadron of Spitfires!” Goerring was not pleased! Don’t know, historicaly, if that actually happened.
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This comment is popularly attributed to Adolf Galland.
Galland apparently claimed later that what he mean’t was to be allowed to use his fighters like ” a staffel of Spitfires”, i.e. to get them away from close (and limiting ) escort to the Bombers.

November 13, 2006 at 8:06 am in reply to: Fiat G91 #1309872

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Aeroplane Monthly Oct 73 has a smallish one of the G-91Y
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