The problem with writing letters is that there is the justifiable concern that there is a high probability that they will just get ditched. The “writing to my MP” paradigm seems to have lost any traction a generation or more ago.
I think that what Bushshelter was seeking was perhaps some reasoned advice offering a more unequivocal approach that could target an informed and influential caucus, beyond that manifest in what has come out of the RAFM. I think he is not alone in realising that just confusing the RAFM trustees with a plea for consideration, after they have made their minds up, is probably a bit of a nugatory action.
I would suggest that “the man in the street” would not, at the time, have supported the creation and preservation of much of what is now held in our National Museums. I can’t really see queues of proletariate ever fighting to gather and maintain the contents of the Science, British, Geological or Natural History Heritage.
What I think is needed is a tactic that will hit effective decision makers who can hopefully see beyond the current short-term amusement arcade approach to museums. We should perhaps not be thinking to endlessly pander to the follies of common men , but rather present our case to and engage with the wisdom of the uncommon men, without whose predecessors we would not have had our current museums in the first place.
The originally postulated location for the RAFM in the early 60’s was not to have been at Hendon: RAF Henlow was mooted. This was turned down at the time at least partially on grounds of its then “remoteness”. Interestingly one point put in its favour, at least informally, was its proximity to a flying site at Old Warden.
However, at that time, a great proportion of the population was then reliant solely on public transport and Henlow’s poor access by these means counted strongly against it. I would suggest that today good road access and parking is of significantly greater importance than was then appreciated in attracting visitors. Certainly this is a positive feature with some other museums to which RAFM might in some aspects be compared, including FAAM and IWM Duxford. My point is that a London location using the city’s public transport access is not perhaps necessarily an ongoing essential prerequisite for the location of RAFM.
I also believe that a structure does not have to be new to be identified as becoming “iconic”. For example, I would suggest that the Chain Home radar site outside Dover is iconic for what it engenders regarding an understanding of the conduct of the Battle of Britain. Regrettably one tower has already recently been demolished. I would expect that the justification for this action being one of its necessity, invoking safety concerns and cost of upkeep.
This type of situation does not generate any optimism regarding the eventual outcome of the long term delapidation/building safety issues concerning the two also, I would consider, “iconic” airship sheds at Cardington.
These are striking edificies in their own right, unfortunately they will admittedly require a significant investment, across several bureaucracies, to ensure their long-term preservation. Without this they must inevitably disappear. Obviously they do have a huge internal volume that could accommodate a multi tiered reconfigurable internal structure for displaying large artefacts (and certainly there would be minimal problems with external door access!).
I expect here are a host of immediate considerations, even well beyond those that I have been made aware of , which from our current standpoint in time will and have been be put forward as being “practical” stumbling blocks regarding Cardington. This basis of of argument, whilst understandable, destroys at first post any serious consideration of the sheds’ adoption (and adaption) for preservation and additional utilisation as a major aviation museum.
But what of the implications for a few decades time?
It was around 50 years ago that the the last Whitley and Dornier 215 were ejected from hangarage and destroyed by the then totally justifiable argument on grounds of what was then put forward as being reasonable and practical by those involved : that they were taking up much needed space.
I do wonder if, 50 years hence , when the sheds of Cardington have been long demolished, that a strange looking edifice full of dated software games and plastic models and attracting as little public attention as the “iconic” London GPO Tower does now, is itself up for demolition as of having reasonably demonstrated no current utility, architectural merit or historical relevance.
“Hendon being the ‘spiritual’ home of the RAF”
An interesting point of view.
I spent many happy times in the late 60’s and early 70’s as a young Junior Officer in the
“No. 1 Officers’ Mess of the Royal Air Force”
It was demolished without ceremony not so very long ago and , no, it wasn’t at Hendon.
I’m just waiting for somebody to suggest it all be moved down onto the Milennium -dome site. 😉
Again , Robbo, ( see my previous posts) I am in total agreement.These monuments provide an atmosphere supporting an opportunity for quiet reflection.
In my opinion ,the obscenely ostentatious and pretentious Disneyland funfair being proposed at Hendon is a totally dumbed-down insult to those perhaps seeking serious consideration of the issues involved.
Using suspended historic aircraft as “props” to a peep show puts RAFM down to the level of Paul Raymond’s peurile “Theatre of War” in the Haymarket – and that went bust.
I don’t think that it is too bleeding obvious ‘dant’ and I am in total agreement with your sentiments.
My suspicions are that this exercise has little to do with ( yet) another commemoration of the Battle of Britain.
I fear it could be more akin to the fulfillment of a Pony-tail’s wet dream, linked eventually to some wide boys in the construction industry.
The RAF Museum ( and thus the general public) are probably lined up to be the dupes.
As for Hendon being the “Gateway to London” , my thoughts go immediately to the Goons’ satire,
” Bal-Ham , gateway to the South”
P.S. As expected, there is nowhere on their website that allows any feedback, comment , or opinion to be expressed on this “initiatitive” .
Do also note that the opinions on this Key website reflect those of people who are the backbone of support for the preservation of U.K. Aviation history.
I rest my case.
So Much for British understatement.
I do think the money could be rather better spent in the main museum. In London we already have the monument by the Thames.
( I bet somebody will be making a packet out of it though.)
There were also the experiments with upwards firing rockets (IIRC) from the “Sunflower” Hurricane , of which little seems to have been be published.
Without wishing to contribute too much to “thread drift”. Does anybody else remember the incident reported in “Flight” many years ago (early 60’s?) of IIRC the Cessna pilot in Australia who claimed that a Spitfire had formated on him?
As I recall an Australian CAA inspector remarked that he wasn’t totally surprised as to his knowledge “there were at least three Mustangs and a C-47 flying around unlicensed in the outback”.
There was later some discussion as to whether this was feasible ( spares etc.) but there were stories of Australian pilots and their aircraft both disappearing from squadrons at War’s end.
I can just see it on a sheep station miles from anywhere , little Johnny coming in and announcing to his mother ,
“I see Dad’s back!”
Both General Moukabri and later Wg Cdr Bernie Hunter were interviewed around the time the original letter referred to by ‘Super Sioux’ was written. It transpired that there was more than one Meteor involved in the interception. The letter’s author was subsequently interviewed by Brian Cull ( author of ” Wings over Suez”).
Suggest somebody try pp203 of the Harleyford ” ****** – the Man and the Aircraft”
I think it says “If you can read this you are too gulllible…” Did you know there are three “L’s” in gulllible by the way ?
Er………. four
Hawker Nimrods I and II
Avro Tutor
Granger Archeopterix
Blackburn Monoplane
D.H. 51
Hawker Tomtit
Jet Provost T.1
Martin Mars
Curtiss Owl
E.E. Wren
etc…etc….
Hi A.A.
Sorry no internal photos!
IIRC Dad showed me the ply wrapped bands building up the shape in a crossover pattern. As an ex-Halton pre-WW2 war (just!) “Brat” he was fascinated by the construction which fell into his original training brief.
We did contact Jack Bruce (later of RAFM), who was a close family friend, on this matter’ and I would like think we played a small part in the early days of rescuing the other flying boat hull, now in RAFM.
My father and I visited the hulls in about ’59, got inside the Atalanta and went literally from stem to stern. The stern section aft of the houseboat living area was still open and one could easily examine the wooden shell construction. I also recall seeing a catamaran in the area which looked very much as if it had been constructed from two aircraft floats.