Lovely.
Even less sure what the bloke’s doing up the flagpole!
As it looks all very RN I expect he’d be “standing on the button” a few minutes later 🙂
It was a birdstrike during what looks like a level pass along the runway. Picture isn’t the best, but the speed on the HUD (top left) looks like 250Kt initially. Trading this speed for height (by pulling the nose up) would be a fairly standard manouevre in something sharp and pointy like this. I think it was a Hawk (the aircraft, not the bird!!)
I wondered from the accents if it was a T-45 -but Hawk type seems right with at least one bird being swallowed (! ) down the left intake.
With a bird approaching nearly head-on, it is instinctive for a fast-jet pilot to pull up and indeed hunch for an instant in case it comes through the canopy(Indeed this was commonly taught.) The birdstrike(s) than probably took the engine out. Next it looks like them converting excess speed to height whilst assessing the situation at hand and whilst heading for a safe area.
Then after attempted hot relight(s)……
Blimey! Given that the Blackburn Blackburd in Stormbird’s post was also a torpedo carrier, and then the ‘cuda, what was it with the Navy and uglybugs?
Adrian
It used to be a joke in the Aircraft Industry that Blackburn designers had to be first apprenticed to Henry Moore.
Like the Folland F… F… Oh, what was the number? Nicknamed the Frightful, and built as an engine testbed. Would not be out of place in this thread either!
Anyway, what I meant to say was that presumably it was built to investigate the technology, rather than as a “serious” aircraft?
Adrian
No, it was meant as a torpedo carrier – I’ve just tried Supermarine 322 Dumbo on Google – Picture 3 view etc seems to be readily available.
P.S. The “frightful” was the Folland Fo108 – and that was, as you correctly observed ,an engine test bed. Just realised that the Folland Fo116 was a variable incidence contemporary Torpedo carrier of “Dumbo” and in fact looked very much like it. Constructuion, although started, was abandoned; probably just as well.
It’s claim to fame (?) was its variable incidence wing. Not taken up beyond being a prototype.
Supermarine S24/37
AKA “Dumbo” – and I am referring to the aeroplane before anybody takes offence.
No problem. Your opinions are your own business….
The print I’ve got is from before the days of Jpeg so I’m happy on that aspect.
Can’t do much about the shadows I’m afraid , they tend to be there on the underside of objects.
I used the chord line of the tail plane tip , which is not in shadow -then the trailing edge of the elevator. All Standard P.I. techniques.
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Incidentally I don’t see any elevator deflection on that Il-28 still.QUOTE]
This was what I was basing my comment on -It looks like about 10 degrees down elevator to me.
” the K-36 seat was used in aircraft ranging from the Ka-50 Hokum right through to the Buran space shuttle.“
Gary. In #25 You made the above statement which is wildly inaccurate-
In fact nothing even like the K-36 seat is used in the Hokum , for very good reasons which are pretty self-evident I would have thought.
You have made it patently obvious that you don’t bother to properly read other people’s posts before sounding off.
I’m just picking up on this one point above (unfortunately amongst many others) to illustrate that, sadly , you don’t even seem to read your own either.
A couple of points. I can see a lot of down elevator on the Il-28 – far more than would be expected of an aircraft in normal flight, in which a couple of degrees is usually a fair amount. Do compare the tip profile of the Il-28 tailplane in the #9 shot to the one below.To counter the seat ejection charge such a deflection would have had to have been very be fast and of short duration. -Indeed following ejection the a/c c of g of course is moved quickly forwards -thus producing a rapid and opposite pitching input in this rear ejection configuration.
The enclosed shot shows that the Il28LL – at least in this image,was, indeed no 10 – possibly 10 Blue.
The loads on the An-12 Red 43 was never raised as an issue or concern by me or ,with one exception, any of us.This is evident if the thread is actually read properly(esp #21 when the case was distanced from that of the Il-28 being then discussed.) Indeed that particular An-12 ( c/n 8345902) apparently undertook strenuous tasks of a different nature as well, including developing a Russian equivalent of the Fulton recovery system.The (detachable) barbette could be fitted at 30 deg increments and secured. Indeed, in addition, during inverted sequences the seat virtually fell out of the aircraft anyway I believe.
There are a range of K-36 variants developed by NPP Zveda in three basic families , some which have shown their capabilites in the west on several occasions and given us a lot of food for thought and development; especially following Anatoly Kvochur’s exit and survival from his Mig 29 at the ’89 Paris.
In contrast, for helicopter use such as the Ka-50 , there is the K-37 seat , which is a very different device and extracts the seat using a rocket on a cable, once the rotors have been jettisoned-;even by ejection standards, quite an exciting prospect.
You are assuming the only force a pilot can feel through his or her controls is something recoiling against the structure of the aircraft. A 5 ton pallet released from an An-12 generates no recoil yet the pilot would feel something through their controls as the weight leaves the aircraft… up or down.Make the lever long enough archemedies [I](sic) [/I] said and I can move the whole world…
Sadly, It just doesn’t go in with you to actually answer the point under discussion does it ? We are not talking about any “assumption” but referring to established Newtonian physics of action and reaction- (not leverage in this instance) .Ejection seat rockets do not get primary acceleration by “pushing ” against airframes, Period. This is despite your initial groundless insistence to the contrary which is based on misapprehensions which defy these laws .Try now rereading you own initial discourse on the subect on 4th November#15 -its hilarious.The seat is ejected by rocket force and the rocket force idownwards is countered by the upward movement of the pilot in their seat
The ejection sequence which we were discussing on this thread ,before you decided to jump in, is from the Il-28 rear fuselage as illustrated in #1 and #9 . It is not , if you actually bother to check what the rest of us were discussing at the time, mounted on the cg and not the one you insist on choosing , incorrectly, to hector us about.
On the plus side I see that at least you now seem to have absorbed that a correct term is “moment arm”, not your earlier amusing – and typically nonsensical, “momentum arm”.
As to your comment in #25 ” that the K-36 seat was used in aircraft ranging from the Ka-50 Hokum right through to the Buran space shuttle. “etc. etc. … well , you’re on your own planet there.
Garry B above . I mentioned that it was irrelevant what method of accelerating the seat and the pilot out of the aircraft as no matter what method used the acceleration rate would determine the force applied to the aircraft itself, whether that is by gun, rocket, or the pilot with the seat on his shoulder climbing a ladder…
This statement is nonsense -period
I’m just wondering , looking at the back end of that Sunderland ,partly hiding behind the Shetland’s port wing ,if it might be the part assembled Sperrin Fin and Rudder test bed ..?