:)First of all, swerve , I sincerely think that you should re-read
from my post of the text to my last anf Kovy’s^^^.

You are painting a very impressionist picture of things.
As Kovy just wrote, the short and medium missiles of choice
in the French AdlA and Aéronavale is the MICA.
It should see a replacement in 2020-25.
That will only happen on a national basis if we start the program soon.
Otherwise, we would end up having to buy American.

Don’t worry about Meteor which will be integrated and bought.
Just keep calm and wait with us.
As is, things are hinged on that piece up there but not solely.
As mentioned earlier, this may become a coop job with the UK.
Or it may become a coop job elsewhere.
Or it may stay national.fr, quite simply.

We’ll keep you posted if any political mumble jumble chatter
even menaces to turn into reality, promise!

This being said, I wasn,t accusing you of anything, just making a note
that Mica replacement was a valid subject apart from Meteor,:) .

Good day all, Tay.

P.S. Exercises in same thing expressed differently :
medium range BVR missile/
shorter range IR-guided European missile ( shorter then Meteor range )/
very short to BVR air interdiction.

and :

MICA stands for “Missile d’Interception, de Combat et d’Autodéfense”. A clear statement that this single missile system had to cover all facets of the air-to-air battle – BVR (Beyond Visual Range) intercept, dogfight and self-defence.

from the maker’s site.

With range specs :

Range
from < 500 m to > 60 km

@ Aspis

Here you are with that ref. I promised you :

Malgré l’absence de contrats à l’export du Rafale qui constitueraient un levier promotionnel, le missile MICA a déjà été exporté vers plusieurs pays dont Taïwan, le Qatar, les Émirats arabes unis, la Grèce, le Maroc et Oman.

La question du successeur au MICA se pose dès aujourd’hui car son obsolescence sera définitive entre 2020 et 2025, selon les versions considérées. Un tel programme exige environ dix ans de développement avant d’être intégré sur les plateformes des forces aériennes. La LPM n’a pourtant pas envisagé le lancement d’études en ce sens. Les industriels ne peuvent s’engager sur leurs seuls fonds propres sur un tel programme sans intention ferme du ministère. Des décisions devront cependant être rapidement prises, sous peine de devoir acheter sur étagère américaine le prochain missile air-air en 2020.

“Even though the Rafale did not get export contracts yet to promote it,
the MICA has already been exported to many countries including :
Taïwan, Qatar, the U.A.E., Greece, Morocco and Oman.

The question of a successor to the MICA is asked today as its obsolescence
will be definitive around 2020-2025 depending on the version considered.
Such a program requires about ten years of development before its
integration on aerial platforms. The PLM [ Military Programming Law ]
has not yet concerned itself with launching studies yet. The industry can’t
engage the program on their own without a strong intent from the MinDef*
Decisions shall nonetheless be taken quickly in order not to be forced to
buy an off-the-shelf American missile in 2020.”

From : http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/13/budget/plf2011/a2862-tVII.asp#P5747_828551

So maybe you could whisper to someone in charge over in Greece that
they should push for participation now and get a nice cut!

Good day all, Tay.

P.S. @Marcelosg
Have you ever noticed how that pic shows a Typhoon actually?

Oh, and while I’m at it, shouldn’t it be Marcelo_ng? ::rolleyes:

LOL! RÀGD! 😀

You’re welcome, mec!

I just found this back in my computer’s shed :

IV-3-3 Système d’autoprotection SPECTRA

Développé conjointement par THALES et MBDA, et totalement intégré à l’avion, il lui confère une grande survivabilité face aux menaces air-air et air-sol. Il confère au RAFALE une capacité d’alerte multi-spectrale contre les radars, les missiles et les lasers hostiles. Assurant la détection grande distance, l’identification et la localisation de menaces, il permet au pilote et au système de réagir sans délai de la façon la plus adaptée*: brouillage électromagnétique, leurrage infrarouge, manoeuvre, actions combinées.
La précision de localisation angulaire de SPECTRA permet aujourd’hui de positionner correctement des menaces au sol afin de les éviter ou de les désigner au tir.
Par ses capacités de détection et de localisation précises et lointaines de cibles aériennes, SPECTRA contribue à élaborer une situation tactique précoce.
Pour cela, SPECTRA tire parti d’une bibliothèque de menaces embarquées, définie par les utilisateurs.

In a 2006 Dassault documentation piece while as of now,
we know from Capitaine Romain that making SPECTRA
fully funktional is an ongoing process.
You’d have to be held back by strong belief not to
understand that Air-Air ranging is operational or close to.

You gotta understand the fanboys falling into trolling at times.
It’s like in politics, they better go for it now before it gets known
that we have the best combat plane available! 😀 😮 😉

Good night all, Tay.
:p

P.S. Aspis mate, sorry; I do know what you are talking about
and it is true that plans for an über-MICA are in the (blue)wings.
I’ll come back to you with links later, Tay.

@Bluewings

Funded, mon vieux, as in funds!
But otherwise agreed! 😀

Now, I’m all confused.

What about this :

En mode air-air et air-surface, le système assure la détection et la poursuite des cibles en deux dimensions, avec une parfaite discrétion. En utilisant la voie laser et le mode télémétrie, la poursuite passe en trois dimensions sur des cibles aérienne, terrestres ou maritimes. Bien qu’il soit limité au secteur frontal de l’avion, l’OSF offre les avantage de la discrétion, d’une capacité de fonctionnement en environnement de brouillage électronique, et d’une grande précision dans les paramètres fournis.
Les modes air-air ou air-surface sont configurés en fonction de la mission prévue de l’avion, mais peuvent être reprogrammés pendant le vol par le pilote.

“In air-to-air and air-to-surface modes, the system insures detection and pursuit in two dimensions in perfect discretion. Using the laser path/tool
and the telemetry mode, tracking becomes three dimensional for aerial, terrestrial and maritime targets. Although limited to the frontal sector of the plane, OSF offers the advantages of discretion, an electronic jamming environment operational capacity and high precision in acquired parameters.
The AotG or AtoA modes are configured according to the planned mission but
can be reprogrammed in-flight by the pilot.”

From Avions-militaires.net.

Unless you are talking about using the wing-tips MICAs as triangulating
sensors, which I have read about on a given French forum.
But as I pointed out a while back to those guys, it does not work quite as
well once those misiles have been fired 😮 :rolleyes: :D!
Rocket scientists, the whole lotta’em, lol.

If on the other hand, you meant can SPECTRA do ranging by exchanging infos about tracks
provided by an accompagnying Rafale, the answer is still yes.

Here is an excerpt from a certain “Serious squall” piece that you may remember :

Spectra EW system, developed by Thales and MBDA, provides a multi-spectral threat warning capability against hostile radars, missiles and lasers. According to test pilots who have flown the Rafale, the EW system provides the aircraft with the highest survivability assets against airborne and ground threats to date. It also provides passive, 360-degree tactical situation awareness.

Considered a fully automatic self-protection system, Spectra provides passive, all-weather reliable, long-range detection, identification and geographical location of threats in the infrared, electromagnectic and electro-optical ranges. It uses short response times and cutting-edge defensive measures based on a combination of jamming, decoying and evasive maneuvers and technologies, such as Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) for signal processing.

The efficiency of Spectra notably was demonstrated in 2008 at the Red Flag exercise at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, where during all sorties the Rafale escaped SAM missile threats. This followed a successful demonstration at the NATO MACE electronic warfare campaign in Europe.

The angular localization performance of Spectra makes it possible to precisely discover ground threats and to target them for immediate destruction with precision-guided munitions. In this totally passive mode, Spectra is also used as a general awareness and intelligence reporting system.

Instrumental in the Spectra’s performance is a threat library that can be defined, integrated and updated on short notice by users in their own country, allowing agile and continuous enhancement of the aircraft’s protection as operations unfold. Being of modular design, the system is controlled by a dedicated computer with three processors.

Real-time NATO Link 16 tactical data link, allowing encrypted communication with other aircraft as well as with fixed and mobile command and control centers, while providing a source for tactical data onboard.

Thales IFF system yields information on any platform in the battlespace.

http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/cover/Serious-Squall_32315.html

Is that good for you?

Before anyone gets too excited unduly, one of the scenarii was
to allow a full attack on the CVG.
The idea was to practice the carrier destruction mission in full.

If any country had the perfect carrier, then it simply could not
train its aircrews in sinking one … unless exercises were made up ….

Good day all, Tay.

Well, if a military aviation sub-forum is not the place to express regrets
at a combat pilot’s death, where should it take place?

As was said by one or two ex-military men as is my case too,
every one in the armed forces of any worth convey this attitude.
If we did not care about ANY life lost, we probably would not even
be serving our country. The basic stance of a sane serviceman is
that he is offering service to his fellow citizens, all of them.

If I did not trust in the helo pilots when I was a ground force
infiltration unit leader, I would not even have included the rescue
zone in my exfiltration plans, right?

The attitude explained by spitfireman is why alfakilo could saunder
in relative calm over darn cold waters strapped to a big blowtorch’n’ammo.

So that yes, Requiescat in pacem to that soldier and thanks for
ever to his family which also gave his life to us for Protection
against an external aggression, a given of western civilization
at the very least since the end of the Middle Ages along with
Justice and Protection against an internal aggression or Police.

Part of a professional soldier’s duty is to accept not to go berzerk,
to fight as loyally as the enemy will allow and sometimes more
and not to endanger civilians more than himself but for extreme duress.

Those high standards are a trickle from the Knights of faith and steel*,
the long Christian heritage of Europe and seven hundred years of philosophy
and while it is understood that they are clearly not shared yet by
every one even in our modern societies, those of us who adhere
to them cannot make the economy.

So again, R.I.P. Jeffrey Haney, thank you!

Good day all, Tay.

P.S. I cycle all year long in Québec, Canada, already 20cm of snow
and sub-zero, thank you and when a cyclist gets killed, we do R.I.P.
on bike fora from everywhere.

* Hardened faith and steel actually.