I see that must be really annoying to India, but why not then exclude the F-18, too?

Which may be why the first semi-official/govt news after testing
was completed gave EF and Rafale as front runners. Once again,
read no mili evaluation between those lines but rather political bias!
:dev2:

Lequel SPECTRA a aussi été capable, à deux reprises, de détecter et de classifier – puis de proposer au pilote des modifications de trajectoire pour éviter leur enveloppe spécifique de détection – some ground to air systems ( SA-6 ) que même les F-16 CJ américains spécialisés dans la mission SEAD, pourtant également en vol à ces occasions, n’étaient pas parvenus à percevoir. Certes, les F-16 CJ en question n’avaient pas été équipés, lors de ces vols, de leurs équipements SEAD usuels, à savoir la nacelle HTS ( HARM Targeting System ), tandis que leur bibliothèque de menaces n’avait pas été rafraîchie pour intégrer certainsradars sol-air de la zone. La SEAD n’était pas leur mission du jour.
Mais ça ne l’était pas non plus pour les Rafale. Et pourtant, leur SPECTRA, sans autres équipements que ceux du bord emportés au quotidien, a fait mieux que les F16 CJ qui, à la base, sont pourtant spécialisés dans la mission SEAD. C’est toute la différence entre le multirôle qui nécessite de revenir se poser sur sa base pour basculer d’un type de mission à l’autre et la polyvalence qui permet d’opérer en vol en même temps dans les différents rôles.

Tay trans :

Which SPECTRA was also able, on two occasions, to detect and classify – and to propose to the pilot trajectory modifications to avoid their specific detection envelope – some Ground to Air systems ( SA-6 ) that even the American F-16 CJs specialised in SEAD missions, also flying on those outings, had not been able to find. Admittedly, the said F-16 CJs were not equipped, during these flights, with their usual SEAD systems, to wit the HTS pod ( HARM Targeting Systems ), while their menace library hadn’t been refreshed to incorporate some anti-aircraft radars found in the area. SEAD was not their mision that day.
But neither was it the Rafale’s. And yet their SPECTRA, without any other equipment than those always carried on-board, did better than tghe F-16 CJ whom, basically, are SEAD specialized.
It is the whole difference between the multirole that needs to come back to base and land to switch from one type of mission to another and polyvalence [ omnirole ] that allows one to operate in-flight at the same time in all the different mission types.

DSI, Défense & Sécurité internationale, #59_may 2010, p.98
http://www.dsi-presse.com

There, that should help clear things up a little!

Read you all later, Tay.

@ PeterG

There are three “versions” of the Raffy : C or Rafale Air single seater
B or Rafale Air two seater
M ro rafale Marine ( all singles )

The Rafale M is only different as far as adding space in the front fuselage
for the bigger energy-restitution landing gear that jumps up when liberated
from the catapult.

As far as getting back on track/ thread, apart maybe from the F-16, the
IAF deosn’t face too shabby a choice anyway, nationalistic preference put
aside of course. 😉

Good day all, Tay.

P.S. @ USS Novice, I salute the well-bred gentleman that shows such great taste!:D:D:D

Omni means ALL!
Multi means MANY!
So you can swing all you want, mate!

How many nuke Gripen NG/EF? How many naval Gripen NG/EF?
How many … oh, well! You get the picture!

Sincerely, Tay.

So to you omnirole means integrated sensors and some jamming capabilities, basically SPECTRA?

Well, my dear Sintra,

Typhoon already has, for more than a decade

, no it doesn’t!

Integrated sensors like I described, it doesn’t!
Ingrown SEAD lite, it doesn’t and…
most of all, Spectra, LOL, it doesn’t…even come close.

The Typhoon and the Rafale are not quite comparable planes,
which seems to have eluded most, probably on account of intent?

One was to be an air superiority machine ground-based only.
One was to be an omnirole mili A/C for cross-WARing.
If they had come out alike now, THAT would have been a surprise!

If I am to believe Typhoon enthusiasts, that lass has better radar,
engines, avionics and MMi. Instead of disputing that, about which
loyal followers should normally be better informed than the spare
infamous frog, let me respectfully ask what reason might there be
for such a myopic, undergeared, pilot-unfriendly anvil to regularly
place no further than second to specialized wunderflûgwerks while
trouncing the pants of wannabes?

How many nukes Typhoon? How many naval Typhoon? How many
carry AASM type bombs or Exocets?
How come 8-1 and 7-1?

Considering all the troubles the best airforce in the world is having at
producing two planes to cover the same spectrum within any darn
sort of semblance of budget ( See F-35 thread for latest news! ),
I’d have to say that I find our national choice borderline brilliant!

Besides, according to recent events, we may soon see F-35s and Rafales
on the same platform regularly with infos galore!
Unless, that is, there are only Rafales??? Then the chat will perdure but in
a quiet mess between RAF and FAA pilots. Gee! I hope they keep us posted!

Anyway, good night all, Tay.

Fox1 : The hottest babe around.
OSF : Over Shoulder Firing
dielectric : which uses two different electric currents so that if the darn utilities break down again, you’ll still have light.
Plan-form alignment : When your form is in a plane( geometrical one not the flying type one ) as opposed to when it’s all crunched up on the floor cause you gave up!
Thacht weave : respect for English parliament does not allow me to answer that one!
Inverted : Oh! Well, you know… your choice, really!
Aspect/angle : A common pub term meaning that with a few beers more, your angle to her aspect ratio could change.
OPsec : the highest level of MPs that are charged with operational security and make sure that no one compromises the General’s tea.

How did I do? Was that what you wanted?

Tay.

P.S. Hey! PPP, cheers, mate!

Sure Rookh, That is part of it but do notice that no one but Dassault whom coined the term for miliavia even tried to claim it!
As long as we’re doing advertising semantics which is a fully registered extreme sport, it means something.

What comes to mind is this that i can add to the example given up there
of a certain hot day between sand and skies : When the Rafale pilot is engaged in BFM merge for example, he has one big screen conveniently located right
under the HUD where a single threat is a single track of all sensors coorelated.
No mental gymnastic to interpret signals from different screens or tracks.
Probably why they’ve been doing so good without a HMCS.

Anything it has to do the Rafale can perform as is and will get much better at it when the equipment piles on. I sometimes wonder if all the “E-noise”
is not a memory blocker of sorts as AdlA is only getting its tools as of say yesterday. The first Rafale NUC squadron came operational this summer
( and examplifies Raffy omnirole as any RafaleB ( 2 seater ) can be equipped
with the nuke “boxes” and thus the Gascogne will be free to engage in non-nuke activities like deep-strikes which was not possible with the
Mirage 2000 N squadrons. Damoclès and RECO-NG have just been given battle rights and the other F3 functions are awaiting their material yet.
And, might I add shame-faced, while the latter is apparently a great tool,
a Damoclès XF is under way as the first version is not up to par!

We are all waiting for a decsion in France about the OSF-IT which is late
by my standards as they should back-procure them and well, we’ll see!

Designed from the start to replace 7 to 11 types of aircraft, the Rafale is a single type and should normally remain so in French inventory. If you are used to Blocks in airplane types, you might be missing the point easily.
Even the baby F1s are getting ugraded although, in a sense, they were not “full” Rafales to begin with.
More sensors, more fusion of them ( On an A-to-A threat in Al-Dhafra, Spectra fired the shot, not the pilot! ) and all that at all times without specific tasking of any kind.

One more look and good night all, talk to you in ten hours, lol, Tay.

[ You guys should really start reading AFM, seriously! ]