^^^^^^^Agreed! LOL.
To everyone’s utmost surprise, India may actually come out of
this saga with a plane buy’n’acquisition!:eek:!
:p
O.K.! First answers relative to the nEUROn program :
No, Loke, SAAB is contributing to the general cell, fuselage,
avionics and fuel system.
Dassault has Thales listed as taking care of datalink and command link.
As the different sizes which puzzled Swerve, there is a present day demonstrator of smaller size flying that has recently crept up the net
on a video. This is more or less the aeromodel version of the real thing
which is scheduled to take off in a year and a half ( 2012 ).
It is also clearly specified that the equipment used for this program,
to the extent of the engine for instance, is to be standard actual stuff.
There is an engine designed for the nEUROn’s possible successor weapons
program in French specs and that would be the M-88.
As for the Rafale-nEUROn combo option, here is the inceptive comment, AFAIK:
Quant à l’objection de l’UEO de 2004 selon laquelle “le défi majeur consiste à transformer ces robots en êtres autonomes et dotés d’une intelligence artificielle.”[14], dès février 2003, Laurent Chassaing, chef du service analyse des systèmes militaires chez Dassault, estimait que l’UCAV n’a pas vocation à se substituer à l’avion de combat habité, qu’il n’est donc pas nécessaire de lui en faire acquérir toutes les capacités et, surtout, ne pas chercher à le rendre intelligent et créatif. [15] Encore très récemment, Dassault ne cachait pas qu’il verrait bien un nEUROn (ou son successeur) être télépiloté à partir d’un Rafale biplace, une initiative à laquelle Saab n’est toujours pas acquise.
[As for the UEO 2004 quote that “the main challenge is to transform these
robots into autonomous beings with an artificial intelligence.” as far back
as 2003, Laurent Chassaing, Military Systems Analysis Bureau chief, estimated that the UCAV does not have the vocation of replacing the piloted
combat aircraft, that it is accordingly not necessary to have it acquire all
the A/C capacities and especially not to try and make it intelligent and creative. Very recently still, Dassault was not hiding that they would easily
see the nEUROn ( or rather its successor ) be teleoperated from a Rafale twin-seater, an initiative which SAAB does not yet adhere to.]
This excerpt was taken from Air & Cosmos, #1880, march 2003, p.24
There it is in a nutshell, let me add the other program partners include
Alenia with electrical, anemometric and share of IR targeting sytems;
EADS-CASA for the wings, ground control station and integration of THALES’ STANAG7085 compliant datalink;
HAI for the rear fuselage, test bench and stealth outtake nozzles;
RUAG for the wind tunnel activities and weapons carriage.
Dassault thus kept architecture, conception of the demonstrator and the flight
system, assembly and tests both static and in-flight.
I don’t think that I forgot much, Tay.
Ah! Darn right, you are!
I’ll add that to upcoming search, thnx.
I thought so too, Loke but asian fora abound of stories
about the I.A.F. seeing it almost solely for A-A.
I know not why.
The important point is that this guy picked up on something
that i had outlined over in the aforementioned asian fora,
linking an “internal” RFP from strategic section to govt with
a very precise number of planes to an offer from GIE Rafale.
If that coincidence has any signification :confused:
then it could influence on the MMRCA choice.
More to come in the next episode of MMRCA 2010, i guess, LOL!
Found this lying around :
I do not believe I have to give a short as one or two readers of
the right persuasion will probably take the flaming ball and run with it, LOL.
@ Insomnia.Delhi
Locally produced is sadly not equal to cheaper, these high technology equipments are not like the good old ordinance factories, they require quite an educated crew and the same set-up to manufacture, test and operationalise.
In case of such weapons (cruise missiles) a local production run of say 500 missiles would be much cheaper ordered from the original manufacturer as that cuts down on setting up complete tooling required for another manufacturing line.
Sure, got that, brother!
But if you make a few thousands of them?
I mean, China’s a BIG country!
Just picture PAK-fgfAs clearing the sky
of those ugly Typhoonesque J-10s while
norias of M2Ks bomb the front lines and
Sukhois roam as Rafales deep-strike!!!!!
Just a thought:dev2::cool:.
O.K. I’m outta here.:o
Nothing, Jonesy.
As in a tiny ball of non-exitence lost in the void, LOL.
I have not even read about it in the Assemblée Nationale
comitees’ reports and neither have i stumbled upon news in other fora.
A logical appraisal would classify it as “grey works.
There are news from the Rafale program and there are news from the
nEUROn program, even commercial grade news, but there are none of
the UCAV “wingman” thingy. It probably is almost purely Dassault dev.
yet and as such easy to keep under the lid, don’t you think?
It’s a good thing that Swerve and yourself brought it back too mind though
and i’ll give it some attention ASAP.
Good day gang, Tay.
@ Swerve
Oh! Come on, mate! Of course i meant the final product and not the demonstrator.
The thing is still the nEUROn whether you like it or not.
A pic maybe would help you :

That answer of yours was word mincing at its best/worse.
Good day all, Tay.
@ Jonesy
The program you are talking about is actually the nEUROn!
The intent would be for 2 to 3 nEUROns to be “wingmen” to
a Rafale B with the NOSA/WSO driving them.
Good day all, Tay.
Monsieur, je salue votre perspicacité et m’excuse de vous comprendre parfaitement.
Sir, I salute your perspicacity and am very sorry to understand you perfectly!
Heartfelt thanks for this sincere appraisal, Tay.
Thanks PeterG for those additional links.
Things are moving pretty fast, it seems!
Sorry, sir. Received and understood.
Tay.:o
Might take a good chunk out of the bank account.
Locally produced as part of the ToT, of course!:)
If they attack us we need soldiers, lots of them, supported by lots of artillery guns big and small, and a AF that ensures clear skies. 7-10 squadrons of F-35 with 4-5 posted along the Himalayan region will need a hell of a lot of sorties to bomb PRC logistics (to make an impact on any war effort), no answer for more troops more guns and clear skies.
But a good semi-stealth MMRCA with cruise missiles:rolleyes: would be nice.
Good post, insomnia.D.
Modern era has just struck you too?
The U.S.A. of today is fully twenty-first century since
that unfortunate event in New-York empowered one of
if not the worst President they ever elected.
Most of their thinking is based on events dating from
the Reagan years to now and all else went down the drain.
For most Americans, their country’s modern history begins
with the Fall of the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain which
conveniently allows for amnesia over Vietnam for instance.
Of course, they won the World in WWII but anything before
that is quite fuzzy.
Darn it must be lonely to be an old-schooled reasonably
educated gentleman down there!
A generalization to be sure and do pardon the outburst but
not too inaccurate, I’m afraid.:(
Very interesting indeed mate, many thanks for posting it!
If the intent is to deliver first strike on China is paramount,
this whole line of thought is flawless, especially since it would
help stabilize the F-35 program and be a nice two-way deal.
If however the Indian Air Force wants to use it for ground troops support
AND has doubts about other project’s timelines, then it is all ooplah and no substance.
The MMRCA is an aquisition program whereas the LCA
and FGFA are development projects as the F-35 remains until it has been accepted in
service with the U.S. armed forces.
If any or all of these would see delays/problems, the IAF which is complaining as is about
format reduction and squadron losses would find itself crippled.
On the other hand, F-18 are rolling hot of the assembly line, Typhoons
could be pulled from it immediately as all partners are trying to delay
Tranche 3s for financial reasons and would gladly wait a bit and of course
the French govt would be ecstatic about planning delivery from the onset of
AESAed Rafales which first two radars have been delivered to Dassault already!
Like all of us at times, I’d have to say that the author made his reasoning in a relative vacuum, sorry!
Do note however that delays in announcing the MMRCA winner or even TEJAS
solving all its bugs within the month 😉 would change that perspective so that,
time passing by, this F-35 option will gain credence.
Good day all, Tay.