Since I already answered Loke, thanks to
swerve and obligatory; my post had its intented
effect : let’s get back to the topic.
What’s the name of this thread again?;)

Anyone want to bet on this Thales-Selex thing?

Since anglos can lie outright and still call us trolls fanboys and the like,
I will put the gavel up for this offer :
if Thales’ RBE2 AESA is not on a production fighter line first,
I will close my account on KeyPub and free you from a troll;
but if it does, whomever accepts will do the same and leave?

So Thales RBE2 on a brand new Rafale coming off the line with others
right behind as opposed to Selex Galileo’s AESA on the Typhoon or the
Gripen NG under same conditions.

To help you, here :
http://www.selexgalileo.com/EN/Common/files/SELEX_Galileo/Press_Releases/PR_RAVEN_Saab_gripen_proving_programme-DEF.pdf

Good day all!

@ Danell, Thanks, thanks, thanks!:):D

OK, Sign mate, let’s be serious.

Integrating a new engine ( at least one
which is not a simple evolution of the one
already in place ) is complicated.

The redesign of the Gripen into the NG
takes in the newer version of its actual one.
Anything else would be costly both in time
and money.

I do agree that IF it happened, it would be
very interesting but EJ2000 or ruski?

‘Cause that’s pretty much it , you know!

And yet Sign, just go to the Rafale news thread to find
a heated debate around Stealth Rafale development
initiated by a Bill Sweetman pick-up on the Web.

If its E-stealth, no problem but if it should include
physical stealth, we are talking about the same redesign
that link F-18C/D to the Super Hornet E/F/G.

Plus, take the nEUROn demonstrator, expand scale 20
to 30 %, add a cockpit and voilà!

@Loke

Then why does Embraer prefer the Saab collaboration and not the Dassault collaboration?

Maybe they are looking way ahead?
Embraer could merge with SAAB and maybe
even buy them ( apart from political considerations ).
The same would probably play in reverse with Dassault.

This being said, I would like to take time to reintroduce
in our discussion some lost aspects of this deal.

First talks about this in France were about the full
complement of 126 A/Cs in view of which 6 planes
would be “imported”, 30 would be assembled and the
rest would be “built” locally.
The rest should be 90 planes to all above grade school.
In that perspective, “total” ToT seems almost reasonable
if placed in context of the belief that Dassault would perish
ultimately otherwise.
Loke is very right in doubting TOTAL ToT, IMHO which is why
I put it in quotation marks yet.
However, the other thing that was then mentionned in France
was that Embraer would be associated to the design of the
NEXT, 5TH+ GEN. plane by Dassault. ( Maybe resurgence in
the media of the “stealth” Rafale programme is to be seen
as a reminder of this, since from a French perspective this
was understood as a live but longer-termed item. )
Now how well would the “coalition” of SAAB fans from Brazil
argument for industrial development stand up to that?
Duh! Collaborate on a future fighter with input from experience
in making a 4.5+ gen. one or collaborate on a redesign of a
4.5 gen one, period?

SAAB has one big advantage in the time being there for the
Brazilians to join in their NG but in the long run, it is not so.
Now if the Rafale was chosen, decision now, contract in June,
the first plane or two could be there in four more months.
Just in time for Cruzex 2010! We deliver!

Recently, the mayor of Sao Bernardo dos Campo visited the
SAAB plants with a few friends and made admirative comments
to all that would listen about joining the Gripen NG program.
Recently, Brazilian government and military envoys visited
Dassault’s infrastructures and came out silent and smiling.

As for independence, if it really is the focus, Rafale won.

Good day all.

And more than a lot of fangirls, LOL.;)

Could i venture…

a plausible explanation to this without seeming to
attempt on the very subject’s life?

In the initial talk with Chaltiel, way back in ’97, one
could read that SPECTRA was supposed to have active
cancellation but due to difficulties with that last aspect,
SPECTRA was already, or on the verge of being separated
from it.
SPECTRA goes on normally with more applied to its own
technological choices/options which turns out darn fine!
Meanwhile, on the back burner, needed bricks to attain
active cancellation are quietly brewing.

Comes 2010, the tech is ready to out although for a small
missile which is easier than for a complete fighter and,
understandably, MBDA springs it forth.

Of course Rafale’s SPECTRA has Retex ( experience return/AF )
and development continuation under its belt,
meaning that when full A/C active cancellation is ready,
it will have to be “merged” back in.

This view allows for Chaltiel’s uneasiness as he would both
be trying to hide that active cancellation is doing so so AND
that SPECTRA is actually based on something else entirely.

Good day all.