LOL ROFL :diablo:

Le Matin found why the Rafale doesn’t sell :

http://www.lematin.ch/%5Bprimary-termpath-raw%5D/gripen-rafale-ou-eurofighter-quel-avion-remplacera-le-tiger-2011-11-08

Rafale 150 M $ /EF 100 M $ /Gripen 40-60 M $ :rolleyes:

Thnx Quadbike for that Perry link!

BTW, I believe there is too much EAP in the EF, no offence!
That British ACA was racier :

Good night all, Tay.

@ Scorpion

The volume of the engine can still fit in the engine bay
but the volume of air and thus of the air intake/vein
has to go up too recalibrate the feeding venturi effect.
The larger external shape means redesigning the whole
front sector from canards to lifting body.

🙂

To help the debate,

Rafale line output :
maximum : 30 Acs/year
present : 11 ACs/year
Dassault minimal preference : 14 ACs/year
French govt preference : 8 ACs/year

Pity for yourself you don’t keep up. Despite the meaning of ‘MMRCA’, the ‘Basic’ requirement still calls for an air defence fighter. Like it or not. It’s whats been reported by many professional defence analysts (emphasize on professional) for some time.

LOL Huh nope?

‘Broadly speaking, we want a medium weight, multi role combat aircraft that can undertake air defence, ground attack, maritime attack (anti-ship) and reconnaissance roles with ease.

That would be Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal F.H. Major

in 2007, right here :

http://aeroindia.org/reports-3385
:confused: 🙂

More significantly, it can super-cruise in dry power,
even with four missiles and a belly drop tank.

From :
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fileadmin/user_upload/redacteur/AUTRES_DOCS/Fox_three/Fox_Three_nr_8.pdf

First thought found that on the HD.

What a beaut’ !!!!!!!!

Just the same people that say :

This confirms Eurofighter as not only the best performing multi-role aircraft available on the world market but also the most effective and best value solution to meet the air defence requirements of air forces and nations worldwide.

from here :
http://www.eurofighter.com/media/news0/news-detail/article/press-release-eurofighter-delivers-to-the-spanish-air-force-the-typhoon-nr-300.html

JWcook’s question remains valid :

Now why the change? do they smell blood or is it a knee jerk reaction to impending bad news.

No wonder!:cool:

Good day gang, Tay.

Guys, technico-commercial rules as found by the good Trushant,
a fellow forumer on Bharat Rakshak forum :

Contract Negotiation Committee (CNC)
47. The process of commercial negotiations will commence, wherever necessary, after Staff
Evaluation Report has been accepted by the Director General (Acquisition) and the TOC Report
has been accepted by the Defence Secretary, as applicable. The standard composition of the
CNC shall be as indicated at Appendix B to this procedure. Any change in the composition of
the CNC may be effected with the approval of Director General (Acquisition). Where considered
necessary, a Service officer or any officer other than from the Acquisition Wing of the MoD may
be nominated as Chairman of the CNC with the prior approval of Raksha Mantri. The concerned
organisations/ agencies should ensure that their representatives in the CNC have adequate
background and authority to take a decision without any need to refer back to their organisation/
agency. The CNC would carry out all processes from opening of commercial bids till conclusion
of contract. The sealed commercial offers of the technically accepted vendors shall be opened by
the CNC at a predetermined date and time under intimation to vendors, permitting such vendors
or their authorised representatives to be present. The bids of the competing firms shall be read
out to all present and signed by all members of the CNC.
48. It would be desirable to negotiate the licence production contract along with the contract
for the finished product. In cases where this is not feasible, the purchase contract should include
a clause wherein the vendor agrees to negotiate the licence contract at a subsequent date, thus
obtaining a commitment from the vendor to part with the ToT. In cases, where ToT for Maintenance
Infrastructure is being sought, the maintenance contract involving the OEM and the industry
receiving the technology would also be negotiated along with the main contract.

49. The process would start with preparation of a ‘Compliance Statement’ incorporating the
commercial terms offered in the RFP and that sought by the vendor(s), analysis of the discordance
and the impact of the same. A similar statement would be prepared in regard to deviations
noticed in the delivery schedules, performance-cum-warranty, guarantee provisions, acceptance
criteria, Engineering Support Package (ESP), etc. Comprehensive analysis of the commercial
offer would form the basis for subsequent decisions.
50. The CNC would prepare a Comparative Statement of Tenders (CST) with a view to
evaluate the technically acceptable offers and determine the lowest acceptable offer (L1 Vendor).
51. In multi vendor cases, on opening of commercial offers, once L1 vendor is identified,
the contract should be concluded with him and normally there would be no need for any further
price negotiations. However, it is important that the reasonability of the prices being accepted
for award of contract should be established. In all cases, CNC should establish a benchmark and
reasonableness of price in an internal meeting before opening the commercial offer. Once the
commercial offers are opened and the price of the vendor is found to be within the benchmark
fixed in the internal meeting, there should be no need to carry out any further price negotiations.
The RFP in such multi vendor cases, should clearly lay down that no negotiations would be
carried with the L1 vendor once the reasonability of the price quoted by him is established.
Aspects of advance and stage payments (where applicable) should also be given upfront in the
RFP so that it facilitates selection of L1 vendor.
51(a) In case it is found that the lowest tenderer (L1) is not able to supply the entire quantity
within the prescribed time-frame, the CNC will have the right to divide the quantity amongst
other qualified tenderers (L2, L3……. in that order), on the condition that other tenderers accept
the price and terms & conditions quoted by the lowest tenderer. In cases, where it is decided in
advance to have more than one source of supply, ratio of splitting the supply would be pre
disclosed in the RFP.
52. Cases for which contracts have earlier been signed and benchmark prices are available,the
CNC would arrive at the reasonable price, taking into consideration the escalation/foreign
exchange variation factor. The endeavor should be to conclude the CNC early so that the
operational / urgent requirement of the indenting Service is met in a time-bound manner.

From here :
http://mod.nic.in/dpm/DPP2011.pdf

So barring inabilities to fulfill ToT, L1 has won.
Good day all, Tay.