Thnx Scorpion!

the English text does not use your expression but
it does show that he does not answer were you present.
So maybe yes ATLC and no Red Flag.

About the general MMI chat, in all fairness, we should wait
until both ACs have reached full potential say five, six years.
The EF could win the MMRCA yet, say next month?
Then all in-the-works upgrades would likely be financed to full
speed and completion. So in 2015, the Typhie, MMI included,
would be mature.

Later gang, Tay.

Add. Sorry, forgot to drop those :
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=aerospacedaily&id=news/asd/2011/11/10/01.xml&headline=MMRCA%20Principals%20Pore%20Over%20Bids

http://chhindits.blogspot.com/2011/11/mmrca-weaponry-briefing-coming-up.html

@kirtap

And that is using open source intelligence.

The state of things tends to confirm everyday that there is no such thing
but thank you for the sentence itself. 🙂

@ Jô Asakura

that Dassault’s roadmap for Rafale’s conformal GaN arrays is very impressive and would be most useful to AMCA and a future UCAV.

… and weirdly enough, that is why I try to refrain from too much prospective
in the MMRCA. EADS too could have included something like that. Kaveri
sort of says Dassault too but anywhich that may offer a future, extending
cooperation to projects as Tejas MK2 assistance to co-design in motors
and the AMCA and even missiles ( EADS ) might clinch the deal on ToT!
And we have very little ( more like none ) details on that.

@eagle1
Both camps have their nerves played with anyhow by the lenght of the
process too. I’d caracterize the EF pros as going from a”numbered” view
of their product’s validity and supported by such data by just too much
theoretical stuff to a more in the century one that is less flattering.
The Rafale crew has seen a more highly integrated aircraft with as long
a period of maturation as it has potentialities come of age and harbors resentment for the purgatorium they went through.
AND the MMRCA is a face-à-face, akin to a duel, so emotions, why yes!

@MrMalaya
Would you consider re-opening that UCAV/small Ucav thread you had on
the Pakistani bird marvel but in a discursive view of what that field
will soon provide as utterly new possibilities on offer. 😉

Good day all, Tay.

LOL

Forgetting the local (net) use of the word fan,
I could be termed a bad one actually.

Of a seven points possibility, giving point a to
two advantages, I managed with the optronics
side note to give it 2 points each side with a
“slight advantage” for my prefered bird.

Sort of like a 4-2 lead in a fifth set tie-break
on the Sunday Lawn in summer. 😀

@Mildave, well put.
Good evening all, Tay.

And being a native Englishman, I understand the difference between fact and opinion

Well, well, then being a native Englishman seems not to
include the fair-play and gentleman attitude that used to
be associated with your great nation anymore, does it?

You people ( all three ) also seem hell-bent on proving your
respective sides to be whinier than the other.

The Typhoon was designed to be a AtoA dominant multirole AC.
The Rafale was designed to be an omnirole AC.

As such, the Typhoon was fitted with powerful engines that
allow it to reach enemy ACs as fast and high as possible in
order to dominate them from afar.
Advantage Typhoon, of course.

The Typhoon was not designed for carrier ops while the
Rafale was built from that PoV.
Point Rafale.

The Typhoon has more space in its bigger nose cone than the
Rafale so that if both had the same radar fitted, the Typhoon
would have more modules and longer range.
Advantage Typhoon.

The aerodynamics especially as regards the canards favor the
Typhoon from high up and fast and the Rafale more and more
as the altitude and speed goes down.
Slight advantage Rafale overall.

The maximum payload is higher on the Rafale but the standard
configuration of 6 AtoA plus 6 AtoG on the Typhoon is excellent.
Even call.

Pirate or OSF show the same preference from high up to mid-low
levels as motors and aerodynamics for the same design reasons.
Advantage varies accordingly.
(Side note gives Typhoon present advantage until OSF-NG is on.)

SPECTRA and MMI are top notch versatile products.
Advantage Rafale.

I won’t play into “future considerations” so real CFTs Windtunnel
to mock-up CFTs in-flight trials and the likes … oh, well!

What does that tell us?
Taking the MMRCA tender as an example, it shows that :
if the IAF pre-requisites center on AtoA multirole, the EF
should win;
if the IAF pre-requisites center on extensive multirole, no
dominant aspect, the Rafale should win.

Or to say it another way, if you want one type of AC to
“do it all” anytime, as in Brazil’s FX-2, RAFALE as it is its
intended design.

If you have more than one type and want a top-notch
fighter to top it off, the F-22 not being on sale, TYPHOON.

If your needs are less clear cut than that, have a tender!

Good luck all, keep cool, Tay.

P.S. For the umpteenth time, omnirole means all roles at
all times and multirole means most/all roles at diff. times.

My take :

-Costs : 9 to 11% advantage for the Rafale at unit costs & 15%+ with operating costs & down to 8 to 12% with the weapons)
-ToT : Better for the rafale : Dealing with a single friendly state is simpler and more efficient
-Offsets : advantage Typhoon but there is already cooperation betwee India
and France and offsets could take the form of a future joint project
-Strategic : Rafale due to the abilities it has that may be useful vs China
that are needed now not in 5 to 7 years and EADS as a corp has been getting
into problems with recent projects NH-90, A400M, lagging with drones etc
which may injustly tarnish Eurofighter.
-Politics : see friendly

http://expressbuzz.com/nation/india-opens-bids-in-combat-plane-tender/329925.html

“The commercial bids for the MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) deal from the two competing firms were opened here in the presence of their representatives,” a defence ministry official said.

Now let’s wait? 😀 S’more …

and India being dependent on U.S goodwill.

Except when time comes to use and customize those Lightning II,
ask the Brits!

In India’s interest, forget the F-35 and go AMCA
now, strong and ASAP.

Good day all, Tay.