100% agreed with Trident.
First, for deltas, single tailfins make more aerodynamics/control sense.
Materials can reduce further the RCS of an very thin added finesse one.
Like here : ( and by the way, funny pic of VVLO Rafale below sig. )
As for the KF-x itself, the first pic here shows its model naked

and this one ladden :
So Trident’s comments make sense especially, Stephen having posted
this too the same day.
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/10/seoul-air-show-kf-x-vision-unv.html
The model in this pic from the aerodynamics tunnel has already
been “F-22ed” :
http://blog-imgs-24.fc2.com/s/t/r/strangemecha/kfx.jpg
So dual-canted or single fin solution is a choice but the weird thing
is that duals go better with rear depth fins too as they have reappeared
on the models.
One has to wonder if delta wings and dual canted fins
were simply not both a tad ambitious for the Koreans.
Those are not learned overnight?
Good day all, Tay.

My personal theory is that in an attempt at pure stealth, Dassault cut
the chase and went for the no tail fin at all solution, using the famed
Rafale MMI to control the air around the AC by the pilot’s mental
powers alone … ๐ but it could be maintenance too.
jbritchford, sincerely, I’d look to the industry first.
Because yes there are talks of severe discrepancies
in materials and manufacturing processes in India.
But the IAF would hardly be doing Red Flag or the
Garuda series with the US and France if its planes
were not professionaly maintained.
I’m more surprised noone found this gem in the F-35
“bit of good news” furnished as usual by Tango :
Cordell said that one piece of good news is that the “outflow” from the jet’s exhaust while hovering is less intense than expected. “It’s counterintuitive, but the jet has a less harsh environment hovering at 40 feet than it does at 100 feet,” he said. Engineering models had predicted the outcome, but skeptics – Cordell included – had doubted those conclusions.
Of course the jet sends much more power to sustain purely
vertical flight in a “normal air medium”.
At 40 feet, it still rides the hot air bubble it creates against
ship and sea.
Although the 100 feet may not be the nominal limit. Lower.
And temperature keeps rising below through it all by accretion.
Tiens, รงa me rappelle quelque chose …:rolleyes:
Somehow, I seem to remember something like that …
http://www.leparisien.fr/politique/la-france-va-enfin-vendre-ses-rafale-23-05-2009-522855.php
I’m thinking further East first, ๐
Good night all, Tay.
On a lighter note, this link of today’s gougueule News search :
Clearly shows the Rafale 3-1 to the Typhoon in vignettes apparitions ๐
( although to be true there are an LCA and a Jag’ but still … ) ๐
which means in crystal ball HD that the Rafale will win …:D
OK back to sleep. ๐
I actually see Rafale AESA as a weakness. It may be available years before Typhoon’s but Rafale size constraints should mean that the Typhoon AESA will be a better AESA. If you are going to fly an aircraft for 20+ years, why chose an aircraft on the basis that it will have a better radar than the alternative for 2/3/3+ years? Furthermore, it is hardly as if Captor is not a good radar, so you would be severely handicapped until AESA was available.
As you say, it does depend to some extent on the sense of urgency. I just don’t think that is a winning point where AESA is concerned. Perhaps I’m wrong and the selectors will see things differently.
Quote:
The flyaway price is just one thing concerning cost. Theres much more to it than just that alone.
I agree with EELightning’s comment here. For example. what does it cost to update a Mirage 2000? What will it cost to update a Rafale?
I rather agree and that last post was still in my
recent tendency of “let’s wait around a pint”.
Every nook and cranny contains a nutshell.
see-saw type decision and not Ockham’s razor.
About the RBE2-AESA, I wondered a lot, mused somewhat.
I wondered why its small size which physics describe as
less efficient is not more of subject?
Why this clear cut advantage to the AESA debate/evaluation
is not more present on the commercial front?
Have EADS/BAe/Eurofighter Gmbh have suddenly developed
quasi virginal pudeur & restraint? I mean what a juicy bone, er …
Barring the usual reference to Klingon tech, the best I could
come up with was that a proper use of a good if …AESA plate
through a great sensors’ fusion/netcentric/MMI to a SPECTRA
dedicated protection suite possibly quite the nice one . . .
could not have been completed by a reasonable array of
respectable pieces of armament into a WARPLANE?
So that having developed a “omni”role swiss knife at last,
the AdlA has matured in concepts for use of a plane that
serves the whole range of duties, formed the cursus for
carrier-based use to far afway and the omnirole bombers
of EC 7-1* and EC/1-91 are now implementing the leadership
in reco in Lybia, still taking their turn for the latter in nuke alert,
same Lybia over which the future Normandie-Niemen’s pilots,
already chosen, are honing their skills?
I mean, at some point it should become clear that even though
still set for upgrades initially deemed necessary and doing so
through the existing fleet always, the plane as a tool is now fully
integrated and as such, in the case of the Typhoon here or another
later, is at last the sellable product that many fine gentlenations
would consider to acquire?
I sincerely understand why some might have wished that the Raffy
went from confused youth to dazed seniority but really mates …
the Rafale has come of age.
So still not quite that expectant about India, let me trust my prefered
bird as MMRCA goes and support the Typhie if the Japanese REALLY
want to make a point ๐
Good day all, Tay.
P.S. If someone has a better idea or sources to shed light
on the RBE2-AESA vs Captor-AESA or want to start a thread;)
* Sorry, neurotic nationalist nervous tick since Al-Dhafra.
^^^^
Yes well,
And in the past, the UK did transfer 18 of its own RAF Jaguars to IAF which were used to
only if :
the possibility that the IAF will be ok with the first couple of batches being delivered with capabilities less than that contracted for
Whereas the Rafale is coming out AESA equiped in 2013 max,
( could be sped up ) so it depends on the IAF’s sense of urgency.
Those packs may even hinge on something non-military as trading rights. ๐ฎ
^^^^^^
The SW-4 joins a lengthening line of commercial helicopters adapted to unmanned use, including the Sikorsky S-333 for the MQ-8B Fire Scout and now the Bell 407 for the planned MQ-8C version, which Northrop Grumman and the US Navy plan to develop to meet an urgent special-forces requirement for a maritime VTOL UAV with more endurance and payload than the current Fire Scout.
Quote from swerve’s piece, adaptation flourishing as expected, lol.
LOL, Mrmalya, you’re becoming the Umanned resident finder! ๐
To follow through with your question from the Pakistani “wonder”
umanned ACs have found three axis to grow : Combat quite apart,
New concepts and often new materials or adaptation.
A great number of platforms from the past to the now and next friday.
A great number of retrofits from more or less recents aircrafts with
barely more than possible scaled variant or composite shell production.
Adaptation has lots going for it.
Good day all, Tay.
http://m.financialexpress.com/mobile_story.php?storyId=854253
tsssssssk F-35 SH Mig-35 …
You forgot the Spits and the Spads, guys. :diablo:
1B4TL, tsskkk.:dev2:
^^^^^Sorry Madrat but wrong there :
Taรฏwan wants the upgrade to the IDF to
extend IDF in time and capacity and the
trainer version to step-in for F-5FDs.
The first 71 IDF upgrade was separate from the F-16 upgrade/replacement.
The rest of them were to be upgraded if/when possible.
What IS a consequence of the US refusal is the SCOPE of this “modernization”.
to wit :
the 71 FCK-1 MLU included
-cell life brought up to 8,000 hours
-radar more resistant to jamming
-better fly-by-wire
-new cockpit visualizations
the upcoming upgrades to the rest of the fighters should include
-an auto-protection jammer
-a new radar alert function
-link 16
– POSSIBLE AIM-9 and AGM Maverick integrations.
If the US had agreed to Taรฏwan’s wishes,
they would have sold NEW F-16s for 8US billions$ (F-16C/D block 50/52 )
THEN the remaining IDFs might have gotten the MLU. ( Or not )
which Washington having refused flatly became a
request to bring the present F-16A/B fleet to near that standard.
APG-66 to AESA/ALQ211 jamming pod addition
and AMRAAM,AIM-9X and JDAM buys.
By comparison, the proposed trainer version of the IDF
would reopen the production line for a stripped down F-CK
called XAT-5 with wider landing gear placement, F124
instead of TFE1042 engines, simpler navigation and virtual
attack systems than present weapons system and supposedly
be less costly than buying the M-346???
By the way, new F-16s having been refused so has not to
offend Beijing, Taรฏwan proposed cute semantics in the same
intent would turning be the F-16 MLU into a retrofit
since the modernization would be incremental and not a one
step affair, sigh …. ah, politics :rolleyes:;)
Good day all, Tay.
Emile, this :
English online is almost no formal grammar in terms of the English Political Economics I read from 18 century.
There was a story, I asked an American who came from New york as an financial expert to explain some sentences I’d picked out of a political economics book because I felt it was really hard to be translated precisely to Chinese, so I thought maybe the sentences I asked to reexplain by another way, which could be a help, do you know what happened next?
He read those, say about half hundred words for 5 minutes, then ask me in return, “you write these?”, “No, which I copied from this” I show him book, “the copy not clear?”
“No, but these English is quite difficult” He answeredFor avoiding awkward situation, I had to say “those are rubbish” and did apology for disturbing him, albeit………do you know David Recardo
as an answer to i.e.’s remark confirms it.
I welcome you as I was myself back then
when I joined KeyPub but the very structure
of some parts of your sentences give strong
indications that you may be a Chinese speaking
person originally.
There is nothing wrong with that of course. ( Although
it has me wondering why you chose a French pseudo? )
However, you may find it easier to get yourself understood
by splitting your sentences into shorter ones.
This is a little tedious but should counteract some
of the grammatical differences between the two languages.
Case in point of grammar difficulties :
“No, but these English is quite difficult” He answered
That should have read either :
“No, but this English is quite difficult” He answered
………………… or :
“No, but these English are quite difficult” He answered
To which I should add that no, English ( the language ) is not difficult
while yes, English the people are but in a jolly way, my dear;)
As for the plane you showed us at the beginning itself,
is there a link coming to those pics?
Landing would go fine as TooCool explained,
it’s taking off that would be the problem.
Of course, they would ditch most weapons first
and make a “naked” touchdown.
My original point that the hook is not a problem
as far as carriage still holds.
Hey PPP, apart from the problem of slightly higher
speed on landing, the Typhie probably could too at
least on a US carrier since they’re longer than CDG.
Besides, don’t they keep emergency nets onboard
for such cases as they did in the old days?
Heck, I’d pay my ticket to see a Typhoon land on the
Prince of Wales with arresting cables, net and tail chute!
What a glorious sight ๐
Good day all, Tay.
^^^^^^^^^^
The hook comes standard on all Rafale models, USS Novice.
It is there to provide the possibility of recovery on the CDG,
or any similarly equiped CV such as all USS carriers.
It can thus be covered with no other drawback but making
a carrier landing nearly impossible. ๐
Tay.
Quite the contrary, one might be tempted to ask why so many sweeteners had to be thrown in to seal a commitment
For the very same reason that a “socialist” president of the USA,
( as Obama is being called by his mainstream press ) , would let
the administration warn of opposing its veto to the entry of Palestine
in the U.N.?
Because in dealings between Israel and the United States, the
USA does not have the big end of the stick? :confused:
Oh, well …
At least we can rest assured that Israel and Saudi Arabia will never
lack in quality American weaponry.