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  • in reply to: US Air Force declassifies elite aggressor program #2463297
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    I find it just amusing that according to you any American civilian hacks owning a Mig and having a civil FAA registration has to be automatically airworthy. 😀
    AFAIK there was only one Mig-23 airworthy in 2006 and I doubt it still is.
    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/310637/mig_23_air_display_at_the_2006_new_castle_airshow/

    I am well aware of the limitations on the FAA registry and if you look in the Historic forum you will see that the B-26 which crashed at Biggin Hill years ago is still shown as being current on the FAA register.

    The International Civil Avaition Organisation publishes (or used to publish) an annual statisical digest called ‘ Civil Aircraft on the Register’ which breaks down the number of aircraft type by country and in the mid 1990’s we used to discuss online what certain aircraft were that were shown as being current. The vast majority of the interesting types on the US register were quite clearly wfu at best or pwfu.

    I was part of a small working group tasked with looking at revising some of the ICAO publications and we recommended that the Civil Aircraft on the register’ digest be dropped because it was clear that the US data was extremely suspect and that anybody who really wanted to know anything probably had access to professional databases such as the AirClaims CASE database. For political reasons our recommendation on this particular digest was overruled.

    Sorry, do not understand, how is this connected to the airworthiness of the Mig-29 and Su-27 in the USAF we are discussing right now?

    Let me spell it out to you in simple terms.

    1) You do not seem to believe that the USAF/DoD/CIA currently fly MiG-29/Su-27 and that you want photographic proof.

    2) In the mid 1980s there was pleanty of evidence that there was a lot of activity at TTR but no photogrpahic proof of anything until the uSAF revealed (at a fairly late stage) a rather misleading photograph of a F-117.

    3) Now we accept that most of the reports of streams of aircraft etc were F-117s on night flying missions although we have no hard documentary evidence absolutely proving this.

    4) We have some grainy shots of Su-27/MiG-29 in the Groom Lake area which would seem to indicate that flying activities is going on with these types of aircraft.

    5) Is it so difficult to believe?

    in reply to: US Air Force declassifies elite aggressor program #2463602
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    You are killing me bro, I just checked those Floggers owned by a private guy. Look at these pictures, the solo Mig-23 has the cockpit nice yellow, which denotes a chemical reaction inside the plexi glass when aging on sun, the double seater has it even broken. They both surely have to be airworthy, fck no way!!!
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/23437487@N00/470491266/in/pool-mig23/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/23437487@N00/470491254/in/pool-mig23/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/23437487@N00/470491242/in/pool-mig23/

    You read too much into my posts. Have you not seen pictures of the 23 at an airshow?

    And going back to the original subject. Think about it, if in the period up to 1988 or so people had said the US DoD were flying F117s out of TTR would you have believed them given that there were no real clear photographs?

    in reply to: US Air Force declassifies elite aggressor program #2463656
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    Incidentally, I understand that there is one MiG-23 being flown privately in the US, but I cannot remember the website.

    There are two ex-Czech MiG-23s in Florida, one of which is certainly on the airshow circuit.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/23437487@N00/470491266

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/23437487@N00/470491256/in/set-72157594477944672/

    in reply to: US Air Force declassifies elite aggressor program #2463658
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    Thanks, next time try to read a bit more on google.com.
    http://www.gao.gov/decisions/bidpro/2936446.pdf
    The truth is that an aircraft having civil FAA registration doenst have to be airworthy. :rolleyes:

    And what? Did I say that the civil ones were flying? I only referred to the two US Army ones.

    As for your comments about journalists and spotters. Try to remember that the kid sitting on the fence at the airfield with his camera is a useful source of information. It was spotters photogrpahing and writing down numbers of executive jets who provided the evidence on extraordinary rendition so please don’t look down your nose at them or journalists for that matter.

    in reply to: US Air Force declassifies elite aggressor program #2463712
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    How many pieces of Mi-24 are flying at Fort Bliss?

    Apart from the two US military serialled ones (that I can remember) a quick check of the FAA registry would appear to indicate that there are 7 civil ones

    http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/mmsinqSQL.asp?mmstxt=5580103

    and a quick google search on Vertol Systems Company reveals that their mission statement as follows:

    The mission of the VSC War Fighter Support Detachment is to improve overall effectiveness of combat air forces through the training of students, providing technical and tactical expertise to the field, and by providing the most realistic Dissimilar Aircraft Combat Training (DACT) available to U.S. Armed Forces. VSC provides standardized advanced tactical training and certification of unit instructors and provides assistance in the development and employment of aviation weapons and tactics. Our War fighter Detachment can also provide advanced aviation Night Vision Goggle (NVG) training and crew transition training in our DACT aircraft.

    VSC understands the nature and critical importance on the Global War on Terror. The aim of VSC’s Integrated War Fighter Support Detachment is to provide the most realistic and effective combat training to the aircrews of the U.S. Military.

    http://www.vscglobal.com/index.html

    in reply to: US Air Force declassifies elite aggressor program #2463732
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    And I remember an advert for a two seat MiG-29 back in 2002 that said the aircraft came with the appropriate end user certificates to get it into the US but that the successful buyer had to fly it on US government programmes.

    in reply to: US Air Force declassifies elite aggressor program #2463827
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    I have no doubt the US DOD had/has inclination to evaluate the Flanker, Fulcrum or any other foreign flying hardware. The point we are arguing here is to maintain foreign military aircrafts in flightworthy state.

    If you need an example of what the US/DoD can do, you need look no further than the US Army Mil-24s that are frequently seen opearting out of places like Fort Bliss.

    Likewise, the US/DoD bought a large number of ex Polish Lims for use in a mobile multi threat analysis which went unreported for some time.

    If people can resurrect warbird jets (like the Daryl Greenmayer’s RB-104 Starfighter) from near dead wrecks surely it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the USAF/CIA can do the same?

    in reply to: Scrapyard Photos; Any More? #1194674
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    From http://www.ody.ca/~bwalker/RCAF_18351_18400_detailed.html

    18363 Avro Canada CF-100 Mk. 4B Canuck

    With No. 409 AW(F) Squadron at RCAF Station Comox, BC, c.1955/57. Served with No. 4 Wing, Baden-Soellingen, Germany and No. 440 AW(F) Squadron at Zweibrucken, Germany. One of the last 2 CF-100s to be ferried out of Baden, on 9 January 1963, when it was flown to Prestwick for scrapping.

    I’m sure there are more like this

    in reply to: Hornby Buys Corgi #1194685
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    Sprawling Basingstoke has a Model Zone, good choices and silly price cuts on a regular basis on die-cast and plastic scale models. We also have an Entertainer that is a bit grim, and a souless Toys are us. Toys and playing seem not be as valued anymore…. As for Corgi, can only speak from experience collecting die-cast and they have struggled a while meeting timescales and they have serious competition now from Hobbymaster and others. At least that filters down to price cuts at times….

    And Church Street Models for the model railway clan (from another Basingstoke resident)

    in reply to: Scrapyard Photos; Any More? #1194790
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    Scottish Aviation Limited AT prestwick Airport used to have the contract to service and store RCAF aircraft and presumably this was the end of the CF-100 period.

    Oh happy days of sneaking round the SAL hangars in the early 70s logging 90 odd CF-104s…

    in reply to: Guppy To Die #1195267
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    It hardly seems credible now but in the pre-deregulation days the cheapest way to fly from Europe to the US was to get on a Lofltleider CL-44 which flew fro Luxembourg to the US. Loftleider was not an IATA member and could therefore charge much lower fares than the cartel members could.

    I seem to remember they came through Glasgow on the inward journey and that was where you got on for the flight to Luxembourg.

    Ah happy days of the late 1960s…

    in reply to: Guppy To Die #1196067
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    Ultimately, to a tin can factory sadly 🙁

    in reply to: Guppy To Die #1196171
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    Given that there was only ever just the one CL-44T Guppy then yes it is the last of its type.

    in reply to: Torbay Aircraft Museum #1197507
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    Do you mean the steam trains at Paignton.
    Following my trip to the museum in August 1973 and the subsequent thunderstorm at the campsite, we walked down to the steam railway at Paignton and found ‘Flying Scotsman’ running trips on the line to Kingswear, Woo hoo, we were issued with special certificates to cover this momentous event, one of lifes great moments, to travel down that very scenic route behind FS but to be able to accomplish it in the bar in the GWR Directors saloon with all the glasses clinking away in the shelves, unforgettable.

    Yes. sorry it was Paignton not Torbay. I seem to remember that we then went onto the museum at Morwellham Quay to travel on some narrow gauge locos. It was all (sadly) a long time ago…

    in reply to: Russia may sue China over pirated fighter #2465979
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    LoL, only I know country can sign treaty with country but what contract? Only business entity can sign contract with another, which in this specific case is Russia’s Sukhoi and China’s SAC. This is the basic you need to know when you like to talk aloud.

    I would think there would be an inter-govermental Memorandum of Understanding covering the basic heads of the agreement between Russia and China, a fairly normal occurrence in addition to the normal commercial contract.

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