hammy, you might wonder why they put so much effort in replacing Russian parts (like engine) while they have much easier another few hundred LULKA-Saturn AL31F engines. Licensing and Chinizing. We hear the same about LCA where the componetns are replaced by Indianzed parts.
Guys, you might compare the Gripen and Tejas but there is no fc1/jf17. That plane has not even a finished cockpit. What do you want to compare with that plane? I am not flaming but just trying to bring a plane that has finished layout.
There was such plane in the past but something went wrong. But why buying second hand flankers if they can get brand new J11 in a few years? They are now busy with getting fc1 and industry up and running. J10 will come pretty fast (expected).
Goldon Arrow is an Indian that posts flamy posts. Please react. Here latest from Pakistani paper:
WASHINGTON, Feb 21: Pakistan is expected to take up with the US administration the expected sale of Patriot missile defence system to India, diplomatic sources told Dawn on Monday.
A US defence team began briefing Indian officials in New Delhi on Monday on the Patriot missiles. In Washington’s diplomatic circles the visit is seen as a prelude to the sale of the advanced anti-ballistic missiles to India.
“It’s a serious development and comes into conflict with the existing nuclear deterrence in the Subcontinent,” said a South Asian defence expert familiar with the system.
Since the May 1998, when both India and Pakistan tested their nuclear devices, there existed an undeclared balance of power in the Subcontinent based on the fear that a clash between the two nuclear-armed neighbours could lead to the destruction of both. But the Patriots, which could bring down an incoming missile, could seriously tip the balance in India’s favour, making Pakistan vulnerable.
“If the Patriots are delivered to India, it will seriously imbalance Pakistan’s strategic capabilities and can trigger an arms race in the Subcontinent,” said the South Asian defence expert.
“The Pakistanis will need to do some soul searching to determine what effect it will have on their strategic defence,” said the expert. When asked what Pakistan could do to meet the threat posed by the expected sale of Patriot missiles to India, the expert said: “Pakistan will have to acquire counter-capability. This new development will tip the balance in India’s favour unless it is redressed.”
“They will take up the issue with the Americans,” said the expert when asked what could be Pakistan’s immediate response. Sources in Washington said that the Bush administration gave clearance for a classified technical presentation of the system to India as part of the ‘Next Step in Strategic Partnership’ agreement initiated by the two countries last year.
The sources said the decision to give a ‘classified briefing’ about the Patriot system to India was taken during the first phase of NSSP that concluded in October. The NSSP envisages cooperation in what is known as the ‘quartet issues’ – civilian space and civilian nuclear fields, hi-tech trade and missile defence.
The conclusion of the first phase of the NSSP was marked by the US partially easing export controls on supply of equipment and technology for India’s space and nuclear programmes. The Patriot is a long-range, all altitude and all weather air defence system to counter tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and advanced aircraft.
The missile’s range is 70km and it can climb to an altitude greater than 24 km. The minimum flight time – time needed to arm a missile – is less than three seconds and maximum flight time – time needed to reach a target – is just three-and-half minutes. India will be the sixth country with which Washington has shared this technology after Israel, Japan, Germany, Saudi Arabia and Taiwan.
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The IAF has indicated that it wants to acquire 126 multi-role combat aircraft soon. It wants to source all 126 from the same manufacturer in what could be a deal worth around $ 3 billion.
Those who are familiar with the composition and logistics of air forces say the Indian move is hard to explain considering that the IAF already has fighter planes from Russia, Britain and France, besides the first of its home-manufactured jets, in its 1500-plane inventory. Adding an American fighter jet to the mix could throw things out of whack.
One official explained that acquisition was not simply a matter of adding new squadrons to the IAF. It involved getting familiar with whole new platforms, systems and cultures.
“It starts with simple things like heights and distances…computing in the metric system versus the international system,” he said. “When two different jets are approaching the runway you don’t want to be talking to one pilot in miles and to the other in kilometers. It will drive the Air Traffic Control folks nuts.”
Doubts in official circles aside, Lockheed Martin is eager to get a slice of the Indian defence pie, considering New Delhi is currently one of the biggest spenders in the world as it updates its antiquated military and fills in the gaps. Pakistan too has indicated it has not problems with India getting the F-16s as long as it gets them too.
Islamabad’s greater concern is said to be the ongoing US-India dialogue on the Patriot missile defence system. Indian acquisition of Patriots could nullify Pakistan’s nuclear weapons and create a serious ‘imbalance,’ according to reports in the Pakistani media.
US leery of Indian interest
CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 2005 10:28:14 PM ]
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WASHINGTON: The Bush administration is having a hard time believing India is serious about acquiring F-16 fighter planes from American firms.
Despite the keen interest shown by Lockheed Martin to sell the F-16s to India and reciprocal interest from the Indian Air Force about acquiring the fighter jets, Pentagon officials are leery about the deal.
Indian officials who last week met the concerned officers from the Defense Security and Cooperation Agency (DGCA) in connection with the inquiries about F-16 encountered incredulity and searching questions about the sudden interest. The DGCA will be the nodal government agency for the deal on the US side.
What’s even more surprising is the Indian Ministry of Defence has given only a three-week window for a response to the Request For Information (RFI).
US officials are wondering if this is mere tokenism to keep American companies interested, since RFIs have also been sent to French, Swedish and Russian jet manufacturers.
There is also some conjecture in defence circles that the RFI on F-16 is aimed at scuppering the Bush administration’s move to supply the fighter jets to Pakistan. By the same token though, it also opens the window for US to sell the planes to Pakistan
Guys, serious. We have posts end elections right on this forum here that show the conclusion that LCA is atleast comparable with Gripen. You know 4 or even 4.5 generation. We show just comparisation and do not post any negative posts about any of these nice planes. If you are feeling that then it is your conclusion that one of these planes is better. 😉
Here the old style:

Let see the teeths. I don’t think the LCA is that behind either.


and atleast one of these missiles will be in India soon…

Most nations with a dictator are supported by a powerful nation. Look at the middle east, Asia or Latin America. Often communist driven countries get a western dictator. Wonder how?
It is indeed the return of the bad old days where one side tries to post multiple negative remarks towards other without any source. Please do react.
The latest contest in Turkey showed that PAF did pretty fine against the western forces (Germany/US/Netherlands). It only lacks BVR but that is a matter of time. In the past it did better then the 5 times bigger opponent even with outdated planes.
Su-30K/MK-1; Two AL-31F turbofans, each rated at 12,500 kgf (27,550 lbs) of full afterburning thrust. Weight : 1520 kg
……….Su-30MKI; Two AL-31FP turbofans, each rated at 12,500 kgf (27,550 lbs) of full afterburning thrust. Mass – 1570 kg
pl12? (CDF)

There is a long way between this and India having them (integrated). At that time Pak will have enough Chinese versions to do the same. But it is not the question what Pak does. Pak is not reall affraid. It was outnumbered by 5 and has been there for more then once on its own. It reacted with same nuclear tests within weeks. That was a shock to the well informed nations including the neighbour. It is the question whether India will accept risks when trading with the US. Will it get source codes? And last but not least… Will it share (Russian) info with the US? Will Russia accept this? What does it say about India’s capability to produce inhouse? I think that part will be more important the any neighbour. About India being big and well armed. Well it is doing pretty good.