Originally posted by Magician
😀A must read for every Pakistani and PLA.
Monkey swings or considered policy?
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm
Go on just lowering the level… The hatred against Pakistani must be that deep uh?! Laughable dumb.
just for fun… The finger in Top Gun… 🙂

So evil magician.. The Indian media has no idea what the situation is… Just like some the posters over here…:D
How come some Indian here just can not accept the fact that it is a forum about military planes and not personnal BS. Are they dumb… ? Webmaster. Could you erase some of these bimbo’s? Thanks. For the Indians that do not flame over here… Good job! Cause there are many that cannot become normal. I doubt that they have any intellect. What a shame… That magician guy is 100% indian and without any tact…
Sukhoi develops trouble, India stops payment
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Sunday December 14 2003 00:00 IST
NEW DELHI: Worried over the high rate of engine failure of its frontline SU-30MKI, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has refused to accept the latest batch of multi-role Sukhoi fighters from Russia.
It’s learnt that though a batch of the Sukhois has been dispatched to the Lohegan Air Force Station in Pune, the IAF has decided not to accept them until the Russian manufacturers Rosvoorouzhenie accept its demands to rectify the several glitches in the aircraft.
The IAF has also suggested to the Ministry of Defence that further payments to the Russians be stopped until the demands are met. When this was conveyed to the Russians, they immediately dispatched a team to meet Indian officials. A Russian team met top MoD officials as well as the IAF chief Air Chief Marshal S. Krishnaswamy in South Block on Thursday evening.
As of today, the IAF has an operational fleet of 28 aircraft of both Sukhoi variants, the upgraded Su-30 MKI and its air defence fighter variant Su-30 K. Powered by the AL-31FP engine, it is rated among the best fighter aircraft in service today.
The Su-30 MKI deal, worth a little over Rs 10,000 crore, envisages the delivery of 120 aircraft from Russia while another 140 will be manufactured under license in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.
Sources said that the SU-30MKIs began to experience a high rate of engine failure after induction. Each engine has a life that is measured in hours, around 300 hours spent flying, taking off and landing between overhauls. To maintain them, the engines are subjected to periodic overhauling, calculated as Time Between Overhauls (TBO). A majority of the SU-30MKI’s engines were withdrawn even before their TBO.
After much deliberations, Air Headquarters declined to comment despite being sent a detailed questionnaire by the this website’s newspaper.
South Block says that the crux of the problem lies in the interpretation of the SU-30MKI contract. According to South Block, the Russian interpretation was that the plane engine would last for the stipulated number of hours “under normal flying conditions”.
However, as the Indian side has been putting the plane under stress conducting manoeuvres _ vertical flying and the cobra manoeuvre _ the engine has not been able to last for the stipulated number of hours under the contract. South Block officials say that some sort of compromise will have to be reached between the two sides as further research and development on the engine will cost more money to already cash strapped Russians aircraft manufacturers.
Although negotiations are currently on, South Block sources said that the MoD was forced to take such a step because the Russians refused to comply with IAF requests, citing the contract signed earlier.
In fact, the Navy had adopted a similar approach when a Sthil missile system on board the stealth frigate `INS Talwar’ failed to perform. Naval Headquarters had recalled its crew from Moscow after the Russians ignored the demands to rectify the faults.
The decision not to accept the SU-30MKIs, sources said, could well delay the IAF’s overall induction plan. With several MiG squadrons being “number-plated” _ air force jargon for retiring an aircraft from service _ the IAF has been desperate to find a suitable replacement.
Originally posted by SabreAce
We know that the supersonic Mig-21 was never intended for the AJT role so unless this one has better handling, FBW, variable thrust ratings, level settings etc, I think that it’s a pretty bad idea. The korean goldeneagle is also a supersonic but has all this.Guizahou’s and Chengudu’s construction quality don’t seem to match Shenyang’s.
I think it has to do with less money and building as fast as possible a trainer to compete with a bigger and richer firm. So why not take a tested design and do some alterations? I doubt that it will have the same characteristics cause the Fantan was a nosey mig19 but it had even more terrible to handle (smile). Taking a total new design means that one has to start a new production line and spare parts start-up. And new designs have allways strane poblems. Remember the FA18… Soem straneg wings had to be added a few years later. I doubt that they will find anything new on this mig21.
The wings are not exactly the same as the PG… Probably wingrails in the future…
F7P with normal mig21 wings
F7PG with changed wings
A bad circle. Higher tech… higher price… Less planes… less money for newer developments… less jobs…
The Indian chopper looks nice. Quite an achievement to fly up in the highest mountains on earth and above the sea. The only thing I am curious about is how is the radar capacity. The Z10 has huge nose for that. And what about the ranges and weapon abilities (anti ship or anti subs)? Great topic anyway.
Srbin. Probably cause the nobody else was willing to provide them any planes except China. Besides that the economy was more or less at the bottum thanks to foreign policies of major powers. And planes are damn expensive, even for a nation. Juat look how easy India and China buy several MKI’s… Economy rules!
I doubt that states will be stopped by these ABM developments. And if those nations that are mentioned that terroristic then how come we still exist? BTW is this board also going to copy the US politics? Rogue nations… Well we all know how one nations is almost erased without UN backing.
Even if this ABM is a success then there will be other developments that make this sytem work less perfect. I would not depend on this only. The 911 terrorist were nothing till they showed that they have destroyed the WTC. And even without dangerous weapons. How are we going to defend against crazy people using dirty bombs?
Originally posted by Magician
>>I heard that the last PG accident happended when two PG’s were doing some close air to air and came to close to eachother. Besides that at that time they had no radars installed so pretty dangerous cause one can not judge the collission course without radar.That is actually the best I have heard in a long time, I mean seriously you pakistanis do come up with good excuses don’t you. Anyways if what you say actually did happen then this could be part of their training, the PAF strategists would have realized by now that they don’t stand a chance against IAF equipped with BVR and ECM.
This way they could manage to down some IAF planes in war and we already know 1 Pakistani fighter plane = 10 Indian ones.
Even with seperate topics about India and Pakistan some can not stop doing the wrong thing. Flaming… Anyway… You do remember that if you are doing head to head that a hud shows cross… Well that should enlighten your short but unhumoristic attitude… And when you are doing a lot of dangerous manuevres it is very handy to have a radar that locates the direction and distance of you opponent… Never played s simultor boy? And it is not Pakistani attitude mr. It is logic which is hard to find in your memory. I do not want to blame your country friends but only you.
http://www.fox3simulation.com/steering.htm about the collision course…
I heard that the last PG accident happended when two PG’s were doing some close air to air and came to close to eachother. Besides that at that time they had no radars installed so pretty dangerous cause one can not judge the collission course without radar.
The F7p’s are probably a different story. Frankly I have no idea. The PAF is making a lot of pr when it comes to safety so pilot error would be a possiblitiy. And I don’t think that they have extremely failed when it comes to the F7p. They use it as much as possible and it still is a machine. Not old but also not very high tech and when it is used extremely then there is allways a chance of faillure. The Indian migs are probably the victim of age and maintenance.
Do you think they are allowed to do that? Not very long ago there was a problem with the deovery of the newest F16’s cause PAF would deliver the pilots. Haven’t herad the ending of that. But PAF flying AWACS planes while not having a few in their own hands? How much chance of that when all of the KSA AWACS are flown by western pilots and controllers?
Love to see both planes. But 100.000 dollars? New? Wow~!
Is it licensed production or just ordinary copy paste? Haven’t seen it hanging on any PAF plane yet. Any pics? Thanks.