I don’t think India has bought expensive and capable planes just to fly circles. Same story about Israel. But I think the majour difference will be the culture.

Well. Arthur. If you are often in this region then you will notice that when there is a meeting (NATO/EC/world leaders/Royal house etc etc) we get stop signs (for 30 minutes sometimes) and everything is rushed around. Last time a press chopper was forced to land when it accendently flew near a ministers meeting. Closing the nearest base to The Hague is not smart cause either they have to use the A44 or something from Rotterdam. Both are much longer routes and more difficult to defend then the 10 minutes drive from Valkenburg. I regret the closure cause not only will it increase vulnerability but we civilians have to cope with the results. About Zestienhoven. No idea about the red carpet. But I don’t think they can defend it as good as Schiphol.

See them daily fly over The Hague. But strange. I thought they would be sold to Germany.

So the J10 and Grippen are not related to eachother. They are testing the J10 and will add some sqadrons (2?). But the strange thing is that I read in Pakdef that USA stopped Grippen deal. What is there to negotiate if big brother USA is not willing? For the rest. Fc1 is going according plan. 16 test examples withing 2 years and then 150 (and 150 for China). It will replace F7 and Mirages.

Well. Pilots allways tell that their planes is the best. So those Flanker boys are probably doing the expected. Does that make your statement wise? Maybe even better question… Based on what? Ant source?

And you rather sit in F15? Here in Netherlands they have gained a lot of experience with Soesterberg (CR) F15’s and Leuwarden F16’s. The F15 had advantage when they had BVR. But in close range it wasn’t very easy for them. Maybe I am not pro but I don’t have to be. Atleast I do not shout without any data.

Training in the US of A does not make IAF super. O I forgot. That seems to be raising confidence… Cool for you. Joining with a few jags. And those ground attack F15’s in India where just to get more funds for F22. Don’t tell me they lost with ease.

Before you all throw hot air. IAF isn’t top league.

I said the same Crobato. Anyway. About speculations. Here a pic with the new Pakistani PM visiting IDEAS2004. Anyone can help me out with the missile? Thanks to pakdef.

I walked to the store 5 times.. Nothing here in Holland.