Since he J10 and Fc1 can share a lot I doubt that the Fc1 will have joy with only analog… But I have no evidence.

Dutch F16 were based in some Russian republic (…stan) and flow over the mountains with A2G ordnance to help the US marines on the ground… I dop not remember another occasion where dutch F16 had some GBU and mountains on the background…

hypothetical the airforces are just for border patrol. The real defences are the nukes. So I doubt that both nations would start a major offensive without expecting real anger coming back. But we should skip that. I agree that PAF going into deep is something extremely unlikely. Getting there is one but getting back is another one… India is not a small country and without refuelers available above India it is suicide mission. But For India it is not that easy either. A lot of bases are 24/7 manned. And PAF is indeed ready for defence. Just look at the number of F7’s. And all planes do have some kind of airdefence role… Even the A5 os K8 have some sindewinders… and with BVR entering on PAF side it shows that the scenery is getting complicated. Not long ago an F70 fired AIM9 to down an Israele UAV launched by the Indian side… So they do know what happens there…

Arthur, there are some major airbases near the Pakistani border… Just look how far Dilli (hoofdstad) is…

And what about TVC????

Russians reveal multi-axis TV nozzles

RUSSIAN FIGHTER engine manufacturers Lyulka and
Klimov have separately unveiled two-axis thrust
vectoring nozzle designs for their respective combat
aircraft engine projects.

The nozzles for the Klimov RD-33 and Lyulka
AL-31 turbo- fans were revealed at the 5th Moscow
Aeroengine Show in june. The Lyulka nozzle, designated
the AL- 100, provides up to 15 deg deflection in the
vertical plane and 8 deg in the horizontal plane. It is
intended for “a single-engine fighter”, thought to be
the Sukhoi S-54. The provision of thrust vectoring adds
60kg to the weight of the baseline AL-31 engine. Klimov
is also working on a two- axis thrust-vectoring
derivative of its RD-33 turbofan, the RD-133. This
engine has logged about 50 hours of tests on the ground
stand, but it is uncertain when, or whether, flight
testing will get under way.

According to one Klimov source, MAPO is not
providing adequate financing for the programme. The RD-
133 has a maximum deflection of 15 deg in both the
horizontal and vertical planes. Other modifications of
the RD-33 family on which the company is working
include the RD-33N. This has the accessory gearbox
mounted lower to allow it to be accommodated in the
Chinese Chengdu FC- 1 fighter, now in development.

A further modification, the VKS-10, is thought to
be for the Chengdu FC-1. Klimov has already delivered
four RD-33Ns to China and expects a contract for a
production batch to be signed later this year. Lyulka
Saturn also unveiled the AL-55 at the show. This is a
small turbofan with a thrust vectoring nozzle intended
to power next- generation advanced trainers and light
fighter aircraft. The AL-55 will be available in
afterburning and non-afterburning confignrations, rated
respectively at 20kN (4,400lb) and 29kN of thrust.

The dry version is intended for installation in
the MAPO MiG-AT advanced trainer powered by the
Snecma-Turbomeca Larzac. The Russian air force demands
that its future trainer is powered by a
Russian-produced engine. Negotiations on Larzac licence
production are deadlocked, according to Moscow sources,

so Lyulka hopes that it is offering a winning solution,
coupled with 30% thrust increase. Lyulka chief designer
Mihail Goikhenberg says that a pair of afterburning
AL-55Fs could also power a next-generation
lightweight multirole fighter.

Sukhoi has also demonstrated a “quasi-two-axis”
thrust vectoring capability on its Lyulka AL-31-
powered Su-30MKI intended for the Indian air force. A
senior Indian air force delegation visited Moscow this
month to discuss progress on the programme.

The Su-30MKI nozzles have only single-axis
movement, although they have been realigned to operate
at a 32 deg outward incline from the vertical plane.
This realignment provides a considerable lateral force
when the nozzles are moved differentially.
* * *

[Flight International, 24-30 June, 1998, p. 21; with a

photo of Su-30MKI]

all this info is from
http://www.aeronautics.ru/
one of the best info provider site abot Russian Military equpmient
always giving its source

Sofar…. The Fc1 got the options we have discussed over and over again. Neat TWR, IFR, NVG, neat radar, BVR, arrestor hook, Laser pod, neat cockpit, etc etc etc…

Some posters from the very friendly country near Pakistan are opposing as much aspossible but to me it is just a matter of time before the evidence is there. About the cannon, it is there under the left intake. Not in a pod.

I don’t post this to flame but look at the logic. If we discuss the J10 and Fc1 then the Fc1 is low tech and J10 is medium tech… That is what posters like Wolverine or SabreAce tell us. Then we talk about getting it in the PLAAF and suddenly they are the same so why would PLAAF buy it… I miss the part aviantion lover in it. It is purely opposing anything relaetd to the plane. This is one of the things a new moderator should focus on. Hidden flames. Ruining topics and honestly… If they don’t like it… Why do they join it? We don’t do that in their topics…

Can anyone tell me the advantage of top attachments? One thing.. One contra is difficult to attach weapons…

The mirages are not that bad but the Bison is a dangerous point defence fighter with BVR. And with combination of ground coverage… But at the same time those mirages will fly low hard and with BVR… And some cover… Pretty difficult cause we can add some very dangerous Indian airdefences… Missiles…

But I agree with your F7… Jaguar… Same same…