PLA/Munir/Khan is not worser then before but he is just looking at a different angle and is not being personal. Do me a favour and stop being anti or semi anti Pakistan or personal. That is all I ask.

About Czech. The US almost forced it and they decided not to do it. They ordered the Gripen. US planes (block 15) ended up 5th place. Belgium mlu was second. Dutch mlu was third or fourth. All I want to add is that I doubt that PAF is intrested in only block15’s. They need to buy something and if these planes come cheap and with better avionics then I see no problem. They managed to keep the two squads in the air. Now they can handle them till they will receive 150 FC1. That is clearly better then the block15.

About US stocks. Well, it is a strange idea that the US is williong to sell large quatities to India but at the same time it is not willing to release some to Pakistan. India acts wisely. I admire their action and wisdom cause we know how good the spare parts delivery of uncle sam is. Pakistan probably just pl[ays around. We all know they have a perfect realtionship with China and with the developments there they can buy more and cheaper. It was allways that way but now they have to cover it up with intrest. Do you guys actaully think that they forgot the paid F16’s and received soya beans? We may say that they acted wrong but thay are not that stupid.

Cheers.

F16? India refused them… Tjech refused them… Well we must believe Sharm here.:D

Having nukes is stupid but these days no nation is save without them. If we look at the rusty Russian arsenal then both Indian and Pakistani arsebnal are a joke. Even subs with nuclear reactors tend to become timebombs. I have no idea how many both nations have but there are many contradictonary reports. I am not that well informed to show you the truth. Frankly I am against nukes.
here another report:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4216102/

Nuclear politics – and “The Islamic Bomb”By Robert Windrem
News Analysis
NBC News
Updated: 3:19 p.m. ET Feb. 08, 2004In the past, U.S. officials worried about Pakistan’s nuclear forces in the context of a potential war with India, one that a U.S. Air Force study said could result in the deaths of 150 million people on the subcontinent.

Now, however, in the aftermath of 9/11, the fears have shifted to the possibility that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons could fall into the hands of al-Qaida and the loss of life would occur not in Bombay or Islamabad, but in New York and Washington. “It’s your worst nightmare,” said a senior U.S. intelligence official, describing the nexus of terror and nuclear weapons that Pakistan occupies.

The issue is very sensitive. Pakistan, or at least some elements of the Pakistani government, has been very helpful in the war on terror, but other elements of the Pakistani government have participated in single most dangerous proliferation of nuclear weapons in the atomic age.

Not only was Khalid Sheik Mohammed grabbed in Rawalpindi, but Ramzi bin al-Shibh, the on-ground organizer of the Hamburg cell was grabbed in Karachi, Abu Zubaydah, the al-Qaida “dean of students” was grabbed in Faisalabad, and Khallad, the mastermind of the USS Cole bombing was grabbed in a Karachi suburb. And of course, the United States believes strongly that Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri are holed up in a remote area of south Waziristan, in Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier. Pakistani troops are searching for the two of them, although there are disputes as to how hard they are looking.

On the other side, U.S. officials have determined that Pakistan, or at least some elements of the Pakistani government, has supplied sensitive nuclear weapons technology, perhaps the most sensitive nuclear weapons technology, to at least North Korea, Iran and Libya and, say some officials, that list may have to be expanded to encompass a Pakistani plan to create a nuclear armed Islamic bloc or worse, a nuclear armed al-Qaida.

U.S. officials understand the combustible mix of terror, nuclear weapons and Islamic fundamentalism that is Pakistan. I have heard U.S. officials refer to Pakistan as a “crazy soup” of those elements, “the scariest place on earth”, and a place where “anything can happen and none it would be good.”

The best example several cite: in August 1998, when the United States retaliated for the East Africa embassy bombings by bombing bin Laden’s camps, officials say most of the 20 or so killed that day were Pakistanis, sent by the Inter Services Intelligence [ISI] service for training with al-Qaida. There are even officials — and high ranking officials — who believe the ISI had tipped off bin Laden that day to an impending attack by U.S. cruise missiles.

One very senior CIA official told me, “I can imagine a scenario a decade from now or even sooner where the Indian Prime Minister would call the President of the United States and say, ‘Mr. President, we can no longer take it and we are going into Pakistan tomorrow’ and the President would respond, ‘OK’. “It’s a dangerous, dangerous place.”

The nuclear force
At the center of the fears is the Pakistani nuclear force. Conventional wisdom has always held that India, with its advanced industrial base and wealth of scientific knowledge and experience, has significantly more nuclear weapons than Pakistan. The reverse is true.

New U.S. intelligence analyses of nuclear weapons in South Asia indicates that Pakistan now has greater nuclear capability — both in terms of numbers of weapons and quality of delivery systems — than India. Moreover, its weapons are more secure, say people with knowledge of the two programs.

The numbers, if known with specificity, are classified, but a senior U.S. intelligence official said the Pakistanis have an “almost 2-1 margin” in nuclear weapons. The best guess is that Pakistan has about 40+ weapons with India having somewhere in the high 20’s.

When asked about frequent reports that India has between 25 and 100 nuclear weapons one U.S. intelligence official said that the Pakistanis “are more likely to have those numbers than the Indians.” The most frequently cited number for Pakistan had been around 15 nuclear weapons. Moreover, the official said that the number of nukes ready for use may be greater in Pakistan than in India. “I don’t think their [the Indians’] program is as advanced as the Paks’.”

Pakistan also has greater air and missile capability and both are “fully capable of a nuclear exchange if something happens.” the official added. Other officials noted that Pakistan’s air force, with its U.S. F-16’s and its French Mirage fighter bombers has some of the best penetrating fighter-bombers in the world.

In addition, it has around 30 missiles: the Chinese M-11 short range missile and its Pakistani variant, the Tarmuk, as well as the North Korean Nodong intermediate-range missile known locally as the Ghauri. India on the other hand has no nuclear-capable missiles and fewer and less capable MiG fighter bombers, although it has twice tested the Agni missile, an intermediate range missile that could provide the basis of an ICBM force. Current U.S. analysis is that the Agni will not be fielded with nuclear warheads for another 10 years. The Pentagon document states that Indian “research into missile warhead design probably is underway” but is not complete. Also underway but not complete is research into the miniaturization of nuclear weapons, critical for both warhead and other weapons design.

The location of the weapons, of course, is the most highly classified secret in Pakistan, but there were indications a significant number of them had been stored in the western desert of Baluchistan, near the Pakistani test site at Chagai and an F-16 base at Dalbandin. But that was before September 11.

Another Indian that starts complaining towards others. We leave Kashmir and Gujarat out of this topic. Why don’t you try to look at aviation related topics? And every nation did something stupid… That is politics. Get used to that.

Originally posted by Srbin
Yes Brazil, India, China and Russia could all work together, Brazil is looking to replace it’s Sao Paulo, India is looking for a new carrier, Russia is too to replace Kuznetsov and China is also on a hunt for a blue water navy with Carriers, some reports showed that PLAN wanted 3 carriers.

They all have a potential. PAK-FA will be navalized, LCA will be navalized, China will probably navalize it’s J-10 or maybe it’s J-XX and Brazil will probably get some plane off the shelf.

Any idea about navalizing fc1? I heard somewhere that chinese navy was intrested in this plane.

5 years… A lot of things can change in India, Pakistan, Israel an US. But Pakistan has the correct attitude when it comes to huge offensice buying list… If Pakistan tests on emissile then the Indian are shouting like chickens on the other side they are becoming one of the biggest importer of high tech arms. I do not see China or Pakistan intrested in Indian soil… It has only superpower aspirations…