From CDF : RADARs
KLC-6 : http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Electronics/Airborne%20RADAR/KLC-6/KLC6_1.jpg
JYL-1 : http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Electronics/Ground%20RADAR/JLY-1/JLY1_1.jpg
JY-11B : http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Electronics/Ground%20RADAR/JY-11/JY11B_1.jpg
1.) Already reported and would better suit in the related news thread
2.) A decision on T3B has yet to be made and such a decision is about 3 years away
3.) Eurofighters diverted to Austria (just 11 not 15 from the Luftwaffe) are already replaced as part of T2
4.) A customer would need to be found in the first place
Add to that a ‘link’ to the original article…..
105 J-11/J-11A are not illegal copies. They were part of the original 200 plane license. The problem is with the J-11B and later variants.
FC-1 developed by CAC had technical assistance from Mikoyan OKB (MiG-33 single engined plane). This has been known for a while, and haven’t the Russian’s already cleared the engines (close to 100 RD-93) for this plane? They are NOT going to supply engines for a STOLEN design.
I don’t know how the J-10 got in there.
J-10 uses the AL-31FN bought from MMPP Salut. At least 300 engines. There was said to be another 50+ AL-31FN-M(3?) deal….. though not sure what happen to that.
The main issue is the J-11B….. don’t how the J-10 & FC-1 got in there 
K/AKD-88/GX? New variant of the KD-88?

DF-15B

Credits to hongKongNet.com & Top81 : J-10 Prototypes 01 & 03
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-10A/Prototypes/J10_Prototype_1.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-10A/Prototypes/J10_Prototype_2.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-10A/Prototypes/J10_Prototype_3.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-10A/Prototypes/J10_Prototype_4.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-10A/Prototypes/J10_Prototype_5.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-10A/Prototypes/J10_Prototype_6.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-10A/Prototypes/J10_Prototype_7.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-10A/Prototypes/J10_Prototype_8.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-10A/Prototypes/J10_Prototype_9.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPOOldlZymw (1:57 – 2:17)
I’ve seen that. I didn’t add that one because it was a prototype….
Heres the Typhoon turn with 1 drop tank. 4:10 onwards 😮
quantum, PLANAF holdings should not be brought into this discussion since they have little relevance in the potential theaters of conflict between India and china (near future).
as for the Jh-7A, PLAAF numbers will be ~ 20.
I usually don’t go by SinoDefence. I go by Chinese Military Aviation by Hui Tong. He is considered on of the most reliable 3rd party sources (in English). Off-course neither are official.
JH-7A – serial # 30x9x, 11x6x, 20x2x (Scroll down to the JH-7A part), known/Spotted Serial Nos.
If PLA-NAF is excluded…. then the numbers drop further. again I’ll exclude all earlier versions of J-7, J-8, Q-5, H-6.
PLA-AF : Losses due to various reasons not counted. 24 per regiment (Sometimes 20)
J-7E : 240 (10x2x, 10x4x, 10x5x, 20x0x, 20x5x, 21x5x, 30x2x, 40x1x, 41x8x, 60x8x)
J-7G : 72 (10x8x, 20x3x, 40x8x)
J-8H/G/F : 144 (11x2x, 40x8x, 6009x, 30x2x, 41x0x, 81x9x)
Su-27SK : 78 (Batch-1 : 26, Batch-2 : 24, Batch-3 : 28)
J-11/11A : 105 (4 batches)
J-11B : 20 – 24? (10x2x)
Su-30MKK : 78 (Batch-1 : 38, Batch-2 : 38)
J-10 : 96? (50x5x, 10x4x, 10x3x, 10x2x)
J-10S : ?? (Not sure about this)
JH-7/7A : 60? (30x9x, 11x6x, 20x2x)
Q-5L : 20 – 24? (10x6x)
H-6G/H/M : 60? (40x7x, 18x9x, 20x1x)
Surveillance type – KJ-2000 : 4, Y-8W (KJ-200) : 3, Y-8G : 4, Y-8T : 3, Y-8XZ : 1, Tu-154M/D : 4, Y-8CB : 3
Thats around a 1000 planes…..
The IAF is roughly around 700 planes. So the Global-Security values are just raw numbers. The older versions of the J-7, J-8, Q-5, H-6 should dropped. Plus PRC has about 3-times the land size as India. So they naturally need a bigger force.
I wouldn’t go by global security…… if one excludes all earlier versions of J-7, J-8, Q-5, H-6.
PLA-AF/NAF (losses due to various reasons not counted)
J-7E/G : 300?
J-8H/G/F : 175?
Su-27SK/J-11/11A : 183
Su-30MKK/MK2 : 102
J-11B : 24?
J-10 : 96?
J-10S : ?? (Not sure about this)
JH-7/7A : 112?
Q-5L : 24?
H-6G/H/M : 100??
KJ-2000 : 4, Y-8W (KJ-200) : 3, Y-8G : 4 plus 20 other EW type planes
PLAAF shrinking…..and shrinking fast. You won’t be seeing 2000 – 3000 planes like before.
Do you have a reference you could site? I haven’t seen anything yet that bears the “official” stamp of either Chengdu or the PLAAF – so if there’s one out there I’d love to see it.
Stats were from an interview with the Deputy Commander of the PLAAF and the 60th Anniversary show.
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-10A/J10_Specs_1.jpg
Right. banking doesn’t matter and this 16 seconds puts Gripen in very competitive position even against higher powered F16s. I’d imagine the situation with NG would be considerably better, since it gained only 200kg in weight, for ~1.8t of thrust.
Maximum turn rates are usually expressed in clean condition and if one reads that Mig29 turns 24°/sec, it would be clean as well.
Oh ok….. I roughly have to shave-off 3sec on almost all the videos.
That brings the Su-27, MiG-29 around 13 sec…. All others around the 16+ mark.
I am looking for the Rafale video…? anyone got that?
Gripen 360 in 16 seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACDGkNa77Rs
Starts at 3:32 ends at 3:48.
errr…..no….
Thats not the complete video….. At what point did JAS-39 Gripen start the turn?
I think this is the full video. Contains both the Hungarian & Swedish demos. – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKglcbDUhGE
It starts to turn at around 8:14+ and levels off at around 8:35-36…..
Around 20 seconds. Like many others.
But I accept what Cola1973 said. These are just air-shows. What happens in real training/combat is a different story.
It’s some kind of Mig33 design, that apparently got abandoned in 70s by Russians and Chinese continued it?? However it isn’t clear whether it is that Mig33 derivate listed here, or FC-1?
But still there’s 4:1 ratio in Chinese favor and Chinese have domestic planes/weapons production…
FC-1 is not in service. And probably never will…..
Remember when it comes to options India has a ton of foreign option (now even US products). Same Cannot be said about PRC.
I think the ‘Akash Vs. Buk’ argument can be put down to Akash being indigenously made. From the details resemblance (to the SA-6) is just external. Doing it indigenously gives extremely valuable data/experience. And the fact that IAF is looking into it shows it has pretty solid performance. Just like some of their other products, like RADARs. Indra-II, 3D-CAR and so on are indigenously made. I mean theoretically they could be replaced by foreign products but then what happens to that all important learning curve? :confused:
Here is some data provided by GlobalSecurity.org, related to India and China and their Air Forces.
As of 2010:
India
– 80xSu30
– 36xM2000
– 74xJaguar
– 48xMig29
– 98xMig27
– 10xTejas
– 182xMig21
India total = 528 combat aircraftChina
– 588xSu30/J11
– 100xJ10
– 50xJ9
– 650xJ8
– 500xJ7
– 150xQ5
– 150xJH7
China total = 2188 combat aircraftNow, here an Indian AirForce Marshal states that there’s nothing to worry about!
I wonder what would it take for him to get concerned over China’s obvious air supremacy?
Whats J-9? AFAIK there is no such designation….. I think the IAF MKI fleet is now close to 100.