You mean 130-140 MKI’s?

But you are right, this 30-40 J10s do not shift the air power ballance in any major way.
Pakistan are still out numbered and under tech’ed vs the MKI’s.

Thanks

IAF placed further orders for the MKI. One reason was to cover delays in the MMRCA. Now total would be at least 230 possibly more. I think there is possibly another order totaling something like 275…

Nice schemed Kazakh Mig 27 😎

Yep….thats a beauty!

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A conjectural drawing of the Shenyang J-14

Every time i see that…..I just go

Nothing spctacular?
It’s very special, particularly since this is Chinese first CCV aircraft. Ok, it has still some directional quirks judging by a pair of ventral fins and a fair amount of rudder during take off (in the film), but I guess further development will solve that, in the B model perhaps.

So, in this film, J10 demonstrated >30°/sec instantaneous turn, ~20°/sec sustained turn, ~250°/sec rate of roll (and good roll at low speeds) and overall good acceleration and small radius of turn.
These figures are very comparable to Gripen’s and is questionable if the demo was performed with AL31, or stronger WS10 engine. J10 has also lower wing loading (on a cranked arrowed wing) and somewhat higher TW ratio, although it’s difficult to conclude since J10’s weight data are vague.
So, J10 is an excellent performer and although maybe not the best, neither is Gripen. However, it certainly is a huge positive step for Chinese.

One last thing.
This is Chinese military we’re talking about and if they managed to keep J10 a secret until IOC, who knows what they got in line for J10.
Maybe nothing and maybe something…I certainly can’t make any claims.

As for Su and Mig, they aren’t RSS aircraft in their basic geometry, so you can’t really compare those two, with J10.

Thanx for that….

Yeah off-course can’t compare to the Su-27 and MiG-29. Its just every time I see those two turning I go – 😮 I mean minimum radius turns. Not the TVC aided tumbling jobs.

But the minimum radius turn of the J-10 caught my eye. Compare that to

360 turns – Gripen
Gripen – 1:20 onwards
Gripen – 5:05 onwards

360 Turn – EF-Typhoon
EF-Typhoon (With 1 centerline drop tank :eek:) – 4:10 onwards (thats quite sharp)

Any comments on those?

When assessing flying capabilities of J10, it’d be good to check this film.

As for electronics and radar, many components are “made in China” anyway, so it’s difficult to tell who’s more advanced, although I’d go with Gripen mainly due possibly better integration and maturity. Gripen’s here 20+ years, while J10 is 5.

(How can I directly link a film from YouTube here? Thx.)

Like I said before, details of the J-10 are sketchy to say the least. The only public demo The J-10 has performed was the one during Zhuhai 2008. In contrast the Gripen has done sheesh….who knows how many demos. We also know the specs of the Gripen NG. Forget about getting details on the J-10B a major revision of the J-10/J-10A. All we know is that the are three prototypes.

Some officially released details (recently) about the J-10/J-10A are:

Minimum Take-off Distance : 350 m
Hard points : 11
Maximum Weapons load : 6000 kg
Length : 16.43 m
Wingspan : 9.75 m
Takeoff weight : 12.4 Tons (Max, Standard or Min not mentioned)
Maximum speed Mach : 2.0
Service Ceiling : 18000 m

Here is the complete demo – Link

Nothing spectacular. Minimum radius turn is around ~20 sec. Which is quite decent. The planes having spectacular minimum radius turn are the good old flankers and fulcrums 20 years ago. Check this out – Link

Few other A/C Minimum radius turns – Link

It is actually a CCTV video. The video is something like 25 minute long. If anyone wants the links let me know. But its in Chinese. You’ll need a translator.

From what I read (translated by others) they said 1st flight COULD BE VERY SOON. And another 8-10 years at least until it reaches IOC. So around 2020?! Not too optimistic. Even if one adds 5 – 10 year delay that’ll be 2025 – 2030

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