People,

isn’t there a Y-## designation for the KJ-2000? KJ-200 is now Y-8W. Any info on that?

Posted by =GT @ CDF: Y-8W

1st Plane downing – PL-5E fired from the F-7SG
2nd Plane downing – Shot down by the AAA near the Katunayake AFB
3rd Plane downing – Same day as the 2nd plane. The LTTE plane could not maneuver properly due very heavy AAA. Probably cause some damage to plane due and ended up crashing into the ‘Inland Revenue Building’ (of all buildings :D).

Unlike the previous missions, the last mission was a suicide/kamikaze mission. The 2 LTTE planes were packed with explosives. Targets were said to be Katunayake AFB and either SLAF HQ or Presidential Residence in Colombo. The lock-on failure occurred on these to planes as well.

I am still wondering why they didn’t acquire some PL-9C. PL-5E is small missile. After the 1st lock-on failure they really should have at least got a few missiles (about 5, maybe less). Things could have got much worse if not for effort of the gunners on the ground. Anyone know how much the PL-9C costs?

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PL-5E Carried by the F-7SG

http://www.defence.lk/img/20090612_C01.jpg
http://airforce.lk/images/news/ranavirukat1169/Picture%20206.jpg

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Some PL-9C specs & PL-9C carried by a F-7PG (IIRC)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Hyperwarp/Hobbies/Military/PRC/Missiles%20-%20Munitions/PL-9C/post-10-1118704977.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Hyperwarp/Hobbies/Military/PRC/Missiles%20-%20Munitions/PL-9C/post-10-1102718127.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Hyperwarp/Hobbies/Military/PRC/Missiles%20-%20Munitions/PL-9C/post-10-1135752657.jpg

See also: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/sri-lanka-army-recovered-ltte-torpedoes

The launcher looks identical to a Russian 533mm torpedotube found on e.g. Soviet era Project 206 Shtorm (NATO: Shershen) class torpedo boat and successor Project 206M Shtorm (“Turya“) class PCH (Patrol Craft Hydrofoil).

Their torpedo armament is anti-surface only and the torpedoes are ejected by a powder charge. The torpedoes were controlled by a radar based OTA-53-206 fire control system. The 53-56 torpedoes in Warsaw Pact navies had a rudimentary anti-surface wake homing ability; the export models were the 53-56VA straight-run only variant.

There is a story which suggests these LTTE ones may have been obtained as early as 2007. Their origin as yet unknown, they were loaded aboard ship ‘in the persian seas’.

In that region, Project 206M Shtorm (“Turya”) class PCH (Patrol Craft Hydrofoil) was exported to:
Ethiopia – 2 boats
Seychelles – 1 boat

In that region, Project 206 Shtorm (NATO: Shershen) class torpedo boat were exported to:
Cape Verde Islands: 2 unit, ex-Soviet boats were donated by the USSR in 1979. New hull numbers were 451 and 452. Both were delivered with the torpedo tubes removed. Discarded in the late 1980s.
Congo: 1 unit, delivered in 1979. The boat was ex-Soviet and had the torpedo tubes removed prior to transfer. It was non-operational by the late 1980s.
Egypt: 6 boats (In service), 7 units: Hull numbers 751, 752, 753, 755, 757, 759, 761; transferred from the USSR in 1967-1968. 752 was deleted after the Yom Kippur War. In the late 1990s, the six were downgraded to gun-only harbour patrol boats; with torpedoes, MLRS, and SAMs deleted. They will likely be scrapped soon.

A simplified version, Project 206E, known to NATO as the Mol class was built for export. Ethiopia: 2 boats
Somalia: 4 boats
and Sri Lanka: 4 boats (!)

Maybe LTTE got the tubes locally and was trying to come up with a similar contraption as the Cubans did (by bolting it onto a semi-submersible catamaran party raft)?

woow….

thanx for the reply Wanshan

I doubt the LTTE did anything actually, the PL-9C is not the most advanced of missiles your probably asking a lot of it to track the exhaust of a small light aircraft.

No no… SLAF never had PL-9C. That was just me saying they should buy it..

When the SLAF acquired the J-7G variant they also got PL-5 missiles (No official comment about the variant but several sources stated PL-5E).

When the SLAF managed to shoot-down one of the LTTE planes, the LTTE said to have done some heavy modification around the engine. Heavily armor plating, some kinda IR counter measures etc. When the LTTE resumed their air-strikes sometime later they flew much lower and the trip to Colombo took twice as long. Their 1st mission after the modification was to target a thermal power plant. The story goes (OFF THE RECORD), the SLAF got adequate early warning via the ground based RADARs but the signal was much weaker than previous occasion since they were flying even lower than what they used do. But SLAF had enough time to get F-7 in the air and at one point one of the F-7 managed acquire an LTTE plane via its RADAR (KLJ-6E) from 1000m above, but when the pilot tried to get a lock with the PL-5….it was unable to do so…:eek: 😮 😮 pilot had tried several times but to no effect. At one time it was rumored that Ministry Of Power & Energy official were afraid that the missile might Lock-on to heat source of the thermal power station 😮 That mission was aborted and LTTE managed to put the power plant out of commission for 6-months. Fortunately the LTTE bomb did not hit the bulls-eye otherwise the damage could have been much worse.

This incident really baffled/spooked the SLAF (understandably). The missile again failed to lock-on on the LTTE’s last mission to Colombo (the kamikaze mission). But fortunately the gunners on the ground managed to shoot one down and the other due to heavy fire just couldn’t maneuver and smashed into the Inland Revenue Building (the tax department/IRS….of all buildings…:D:D:D)…..

But anyway…the lock-on failure was no laughing matter…

Officially the SLAF said “We could not shoot down the planes due to technical reasons/difficulties”….

i guess the smartest thing to do is to upgrade all the Kfirs to C10 variant with Radars. what do you guys think?

What I have been hearing consistently is 75 Million for 5, MiG-29s. From what I read from this forum itself is that you can get only basic, used MiG-29s and not any sort of upgraded MiG-29. Off-course upgraded does not mean SMT only. There are several upgrades. Check martinez‘s post. But it seems for 15 Million per plane you can get only “refurbished” planes..

How much does the fully upgraded Kfir cost? (C.10/CE/2000/etc.. standard). How much for Elta EL/M-2032? Don’t think it’ll cost 15 million per plane, but there is a very different problem. Israel is very unhappy with our Govt. getting closer to Iran. The former prime-minister “Ehud Olmert” himself said that to our prime-minister…

Plan to Acquire MiG-29 Dropped

Sources said now that the LTTE had been defeated, the country could put off the plan and the SLAF had acquired two pairs of Chinese F7 GS jets with in-built radar early last year. Although they were capable of firing air to air missiles and adequate to meet our requirement at the moment, they weren’t a match for the MiG 29, sources said.

Darn…..you beat me to it…:mad::D