Armored, re-worked wing, unnecessary sensors removed, armed with ATGMs…
Something like a cheap Chinese Su-25…
What do you think? Worth a shot or a waste?
Cost: approx. 5 million USD.
Sorry PLA-MKII, but your proposed CAS variant of the antiquated A-5/Q-5 comes nowhere near the Su-25 Frogfoot in neither staying power (endurance/loitering time), firepower or survivability.
The Su-25, like the Fairchild A-10A was designed specificity for this mission.
At the end of the day, I’m very very surprised that the PLAAF have not already purchased (or copied :() the Su-25!!
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Here is Polet’s An-124 at Lingshui, looking at the little Aries it is going to eat. It gives a nice size comparison.
The An-72 (or better, the -74) was designed as an An-26 replacement, with better STOL characteristics and such. I’m not sure if it can match the -32s power-to-weight ratio though. However, the overblown engines do give it a pretty impressive STOL performance which will be nice high up in the Himalayas as well. It could however well be that the -32 is the better hot & high aircraft though. At this moment, Afghanistan is actually informing in the Ukraine how much eight new-builds would cost.
But i think the looks of the -72 are reason enough to buy them π
Some interesting points Arthur!!
I also think it safe to state that the An-32’s (original or proposed new-builds) would be somewhat cheaper to operate and maintain. I wonder if Antonov would incorporate new prop technology into a proposed new-build An-32?
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What would you guys compare the An-72 with in the west? It’s sort of in a class on it’s own isn’t it? Maybe the C-1 in Japan?
I would say the An-72 has no equivalent in the West!
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It was a Russian Mi-26 that airlifted the downed US Special Forces MH-47 from its crash site in Afghanistan.
And it was a Russian An-124 that airlifted the EP-3 out of Hainan.
Ah U.S military sub-contracting! You’ve got to love it!!
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Canadian government considers mothballing 4 Victoria-class British-made diesel subs.
Oh no here we go again……….. Is this going to be the start of another debilitating Canadian military roller-coaster??
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I will have to confirm this!
But I am sure that McDonnell Douglas was working on a larger-winged variant of the F-4 Phantom II, which I think might have been targeted at the Royal Navy, for operations of small decked carrier!
I will attempt to follow up and confirm!!
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Maybe they thought all the back sensors worked better than 360 visibility?
Sorry did’nt combat aviation learn anything from the wrong doings of the 1950/60’s? Sensors – whether 360-degrees or not are over priced, over complex, over relied upon and susceptible to failure.
History has repeatable shown and continues to show that there is no substitute for the Mk1 eyeball in air-to-air combat! π
Pioneer
The T-50 will cost less than $100 million which is 2.5 times less than the Lockheed Martin/Boeing F-22
Wow………the question in my mind is the USAF (Pentagon) truly able to manage responsibly its next generation F-22 replacement program????
What with the T-50 (and the PRC’s J-20) closing any gap that the F-22 had over the likes of the Flanker series, compounded even further by the likelihood that both the Russian’s and PRC will be willing to sell these 5th Gen fighter to anyone and everyone! U.S military projects requirements and project management has failed dismal over the past 20 years π‘
I would be inclined to say that the U.S military as a whole better seriously lift its game and start fielding what it truly need (as opposed to what it dreams). Also the Pentagon better start looking after its own interests, rather than the corporate world profits and games.
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The fight between the Airbus C295 and Alenia C-27J in Australia to replace the RAAFβs Caribou.
Wow what a joke!
This requirement has been going on again / off again for 20+ years to the detriment of the ADF and the aviation companies involved!!
I would be ‘browned off’ if I was either Airbus or Alenia!!
As I said what a joke π
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As already stated – although seemingly similar, the F-15 and F-14 were very different. The F-15 was designed from the outset to be an air superiority fighter, while the F-14 was designed as an interceptor. The F-14’s VG wing arrangement equated to a heavier design.
It goes without saying that the F-14 (the F-14B) equipped with the more powerful and more reliable F401-PW-400 would have made a big difference to the Tomcats all-round performance – especially its PWR and dogfighting capability!!
I think it was a great pity the USN turned its nose up at the proposed F-14D π
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this is mighty interesting
I agree J-20 Hotdog!!
What stands out for me is
Aloni mentioned that the F-4, Buccaneer, Mirage IV and Super Vautour were proposals for the heavy attacks as well as the A-6, A-7 and Viggen later on, whatever supplier was willing to sell combat aircraft to Israel.
I find it interesting that anyone would have thought in a pink fit, it possible that Sweden would have given a second thought to supply Israel with the likes of the Viggen!!!
Thanks datafuser for a great topic, and thanks to Sens for some great unknown information!!
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Why don’t they just by some Super Hornets or Rafale and be done with it.
Fashion, trends, pride and ‘bling’ factor
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I wonder if both Russia and PRC might be happy with the A-50’s rough-field and dispersal capability, as some compensation to the IL-96’s advantages. I think the Russian and these days the PRC might take the vulnerability of such important force multipliers a little more serious than that of the West, who base and deploy their AWACS/AEW assets from fixed and obvious concrete runways – dictated by their airline linage?
I know I would!!
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I was wondering, as the US just agreed to pay to treat areas contaminated with Agent Orange, and today China warned the US to stay out of its disputes (which China claims is provoked by other parties not them, in this respect they sound like North Korea) it seemed to me only a matter of time before Vietnam sees the advantages of getting closer to the US, and US sees the benefit of getting closer to Vietnam.
http://www.euronews.net/2011/06/17/agent-orange-clean-up-starts-in-vietnam-50-yrs-later/
‘In peace prepare for war’
‘In war prepare for peace’
Sun Tzu
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Poor old Taiwan!
Shafted again by the United States for political and economic gain :confused:
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