Wouldnt it be better to use the F-20?
Took the words right out of my mouth my friend!!
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Pioneer
I’m sorry, but if the U.S. was to pull out of MEADS on the grounds of budget reason’s, I would not be surprised!
The U.S. military seems to have a bad track history of neglecting ground-based air defence at the cost of everything else! One day this lack of taking air defence surly has to bite them operationally :confused:
In the mean while the likes of modern state-of-the-art Russian and Chinese air defence weapons/systems are available to everyone and anyone who has the cash ๐ก
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Pioneer
The USCG already has 17 CN-235s, spares, trained crews, etc. Adding C-27s would complicate logistics, & require expenditure to bring them into service. The C-27 is also a much larger, heavier, & expensive to operate aircraft. The systems of the CN-235 (e.g. radar) have not been integrated on it, & doing so would take time & money.
For the USCG, it’s probably cheaper just to keep buying CN-235s.
Thanks my friend!
I was not aware that the USCG was already operating a variant of the CN-235!
Makes sense!!
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Pioneer
Sorry
But would not the U.S. Government have been smarter to hand over the now defunct C-27 the military have decided they no longer want to the USCG?
After all they have already been paid for have they not?:confused::confused::confused::confused:
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Pioneer
I fully respect the PRC/PLAAF appreciation to put in the effort to know the fundamental importance of training their pilots to the greatest possible ‘realist’ training. You have to hand it to the PRC they are willing to study and learn both the good and bad accounts of the United States military experiences!!
They studied Gulf War 1 & 2, NATO’s intervention in the Balkan’s………..etc
They have long appreciated the advantage of U.S. military technological advantage and dependence. Hence this is why they have both learnt and adapted to fighting.
Lets face it one of the greatest asset the U.S. has had is it’s pilot skills, to complement its advanced fighters.
I can’t help how much more potent the PLAAF/PLAN’s Su-27’s, J-10’s and J-11’s are going to be if the ‘stuff’ hits the fan!
I just hope that the U.S. pulls its head out of its ‘thingy’ and both recognises and appreciates this development in PRC doctrine!
Train like you fight.
Fight like you train
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Pioneer
Interesting question!
But where does one start?
As a kid I was a massive fan of the F-15 Eagle and F-14 Tomcat
But as I got older and understood the realities of the cost of weapons platforms (both R&D, purchase and running costs), Man hours of maintenance between flight hours (I know there’s a better/correct term for this :rolleyes:) ), as well as the realities of combat and attraction, I become a fan of the high/low mix first recognised and adapted by the USAF (well forced upon them by Congress!)
It is with this that I began to appreciate smaller and lighter fighter designs like the F-5E Tiger II and F-8 Crusader, which as a kid, I had overlooked as limited (in armament), too light and in the case of the Crusader ugly!
But it was only when I took the realistic history and facts of the combat history and capability of the smaller and cheaper design that I became a fan of the lightweight fighter principle. Hence my long term liking and sadness that the Northrop F-20 Tigershark never went into service ๐
I was a fan of the original F/A-18 Hornet concept – although I would have preferred to have seen the F-18L come to fruition – minus its heavy, un-needed and unwanted carrier-compatibility design features, which would have made for a lighter, cheaper and far better air-to-air combat capability!!
I am a huge fan of the Fairchild A-10, as a true and specifically designed and built CAS aircraft – Its purpose designed survivability, its warload, its hitting power and its long loitering time!!
I can not but be impressed with the Sukhoi Flanker series. It was and has been able to match (and in some aspects surpass Western designs) for a cheaper price!
I am impressed with the Ilyushin IL-78 Candid transport design, which I would have loved and supported to be ‘westernised’ with the fall of the Soviet Union!!
Then there is the B-1A/B – unfortunately its true capability was never meet due to political crap and overshadowing by the ATB/B-2 ๐ก
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Pioneer
Bangladesh is likely to buy MiG-29SMT.
Sorry was this the Soviet Union pledges 1 billion arms loan?
History does repeat itself!!
Same Russian’s, just different hat I guess :confused:
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Pioneer
Another point I forgot to make.
Procurement in the West has become too politicised with too much emphasis on economic objectives and little emphasis on defence ones.
In the US the situation is so bad that the US military cannot make sensible rationalisation decisions due to Congressional disapproval (e.g. consolidation of strategic transpor and ANG units and retirement of old ships).
The result of this is less money and resources for key areas.
Congress seems to view the US military as a job creation scheme.
The US’ biggest enemies are Congress and it’s own bureuacracy.
Agree to most of your statements! But your last point
The US’ biggest enemies are Congress and it’s own bureuacracy
I can not ๐
For I think it is thew U.S military that is its own biggest enemy!! For it is the well known and instatutionalised process of defence industries rewarding U.S. Military program top brass corporate jobs at the end of winning a contract and their product is aquired, that has far out stripped bureuacracy my friend! Anywhere else and it would be called kickback and fratanisation! ISadly in today’ U.S. defence/defence industry it has long become the excepted norm ๐
I think the root of the problem lies in the fact that consolidation in the US industry sector all but eradicated competition on some major programs (for example the tanker), which leaves the tax payer at the mercy of unscrupulous militaro-industrial complex executives, who probably earn much more money developing stuff than actually building & delivering them.
Also, selection in programs like the ATF & JSF happen way too early, so even when there is a competition, it is terminated way before a congruent project can be finalised. Very risky, especially considering all this “concurency” BS that’s been doing the F35 program in.
I don’t know what happened to the antitrust laws, but they should be taken out of the closet quick.
The US need 3 or 4 major players which should be put in competition on all major projects, at least in the R&D field.
Nic
Well said Nicolas10!!!
I’m sorry but the corporate domination of both the U.S. defence industry and
Government is having a fundimental impact on U.S. defence full stop!!
I’ve said it before – there is only a small and too powerful aerospace industries in the U.S. now. This is stupid on behalf of the U.S Govenement and defence, as it is a terrible case of putting all your eggs in the one basket, which stagnates true inovation and competition. The problem is that LM, Boeing and Northrop Grumman know this and are capitalising 100% (there was three and now there is one!) The U.S. aerospace industry is well aware and fully willing and eger to manipulate the U.S. congress and sente’s “Buy American’ policy! There are and have been many weapons systems / platforms which have been better and cheaper for the U.S. forces to operate. But the stupidity of the ‘Buy U.S. lobby contributes to more expensive and troublsome programs to be a drain and disaster in the big picture, whilst U.S. corporation s have a win win out come!
I can not stand the fact that the U.S army has continuesly failed since the 1960 to field an adiquate SPAAG system to this day – and yet it has been alowed agian and again to waiste billions of $ for zero productivity – let alone an effective (non improvised) SPAAG system – which could have and should have been easly and cost effetively meet by an existing European system!! Sad and pathetic in my opinion!!
I can not but help think how different the JSF may have been with the competiveness of the likes of a NAA, Grumman, General Dynamics, Fairchild, Lockheed, Boeing. Rockwell all competing, let alone the potential for inovation!!
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Pioneer
Nothing against my French colleagues, but I think the French built some of the ugliest aircraft!
Give me a moment and I will find some………………….
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Pioneer
Not strictly miliatary but the Baade 152 is on my list!
Agree!!
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Pioneer
il-102 and its even uglier predecessor, the il-40
Defiantly the Ilyushin IL-40 schurem!!
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Pioneer
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Wow!!
Now this is going to change things a little for the USN!!
I’ve always thought it ironic how the USN chose to 1/ ignore the PRC threat; 2/ ignored the reality that another nation could and would employ the likes of Raduga Kh-22 (AS-4 โKitchenโ) sales and use by other nations other than the Soviet Union / Russia in saturation attacks against its fleet/carrier battle groups!
Does this mean we might see a the USN scrambling to resurrect a VFX type requirement? I’ve always been dubious of the USN putting all its eggs into the F/A-18E/F series!!
You have to give the PRC full credit for pulling this deal off!
Note: I guess by the PRC purchasing the Tu-22M3 production line, this will deny India the opportunity to potentially counter this threat with their own purchase of the only viable and accessible maritime strike bomber like the Backfire!
I’m confident 36 x aircraft will only be the beginning of the total numbers that enters service with the PLAAF & PLAN!
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Pioneer
As much as I’m a huge A-5 Vigilante fan, I still wish the design had of followed its original mock-up design configuration of a twin fin arrangement!!
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PioneerP.S. I would love to see this mock-up from different photo angles if anyone can oblige!!
Well I found it!!
All I can say is what an expensive joke!!:confused:
We are seriously contemplating ‘buying’ more temporary F/A-18E/F’s!!
This is crazy in my opinion:mad:
Did we not learn anything from the original F-111 deal and delay problem???
Just as in the case of the F-111 purchase, the United States, as lead/major partner in this JSF ****-up, has and is doing all it can to keep interested parties on board this program. Just as in the case of the F-111 delays, the Australian Government & RAAF should be pushing the United States Government to meet us half way with this ridiculous over priced and delayed aircraft by at least leasing us the likes of either the Super Hornet or late mode F-16’s to keep us sweet. Spending billions of $ on a temporary fix until the F-35 can get its act together is an insult to my intelligence and my hard earned tax money!!
Hell all I can say is Defence has become a profitable industry within Australia!
God help us ๐ฎ
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Pioneer