From the article you linked too…
That is the due date before the last delays.
But does someone remember the maiden flight due date before first delays?
Does anyone know if, hypothetically speaking an A318 could take off fully fueled from LCY that it even had the range to get to NYC?
A318 certainly has the range to fly NYC-LCY without a Shannon stopover.
pretty sure that these are still the smallest variant they intend to make arent they?
Not quite. Airbus officially plans A380-700, too. However, there has not been much recent airline interest.
Can I just ask, and this is a very genuine question, why you so frequently compare fuselage dimensions in some way? I ask because I want to understand the point you’re getting at as it seems regardless of the subject of the thread, you end up comparing the sizes of aircraft and I can not for the life in me really see how the cabin height of the DC-9 relates to Airbus not making a new widebody for a few years. :confused:
New narrowbody. That is important.
Comparing fuselage dimensions is one major point of comparison which neither airline nor aircraft manufacturer can change easily. It can be done – Mitsubishi expanded MRJ fuselage to 276 cm cabin width, but this was 4 years before planned EIS and delayed it by half a year. But during the life of an aircraft model, it is almost set in stone. Boeing 737 still has the 1958 cabin width of 707, and shall have it in 2024.
The cabin height of DC-9? I recalled the stretched MD-80/MD-90 series. Up to 187 passengers, and a serious competitor to Boeing 737 and Airbus 320.
What are the chances of Bombardier producing a stretched Cseries? Well, the smaller fuselage of Cseries would put Cseries to a certain disadvantage compared to 737/320, just like the small fuselage was a disadvantage of MD-80/90. But since the Cseries fuselage is bigger than that of MD-80/90, it suffers less of a disadvantage.
In the list in the beginning, I missed An-148. It is now in service, and enjoys firm orders to the stretch version An-158.
Before 2024 now
Neither Airbus nor Boeing can move before 2024:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/09/17/332442/no-a320-replacement-until-2024-airbus.html
I guess there are only so many ways you can make a twin-engined, low-winged, conventional tail aircraft look…
Indeed.
The narrowbody models in service:
Boeing 737
Dassault Mercure
Boeing 757
Airbus 320
Tupolev 204
Embraer E-jet
so how can a Dornier 728, Sukhoi Superjet, Bombardier Cseries, MS-21 or Comac 919 not be a copy of some or all of the above?
I heared from a guy who should know it, that Boeing is again offering 767 on the market, esp to those airlines with an early 787 slot.
I thought that 767, apart from 767-200 non-ER, had never been cancelled in the first place?
ANA certainly ordered some new 767-s for interim lift.
Of course, the program delays have also caused the engine makers to be able to produce a little better burn on the engine, so perhaps some of the overweight condition will be negated. WRT the engines, the big question for me has always been how reliable will these engines be going right into ETOPS service, the engines on the 777 will be tough to match (about 81 shutdowns in 14 million flt hours for the Trent, and about 38 shutdowns in 13-14 million flight hours for the GE90). IFSD numbers quoted from memory from Boeing quarterly ETOPS report, 1st quarter 2009, so they may be slightly off.
How do A330 ETOPS statistics compare?
Back when 777 was built, Boeing got the FAA to invent such a thing as “early ETOPS”. And asked the rest of the world to give that. The answer was – no way. From both Europe and Japan. Outside USA, 777 had to earn ETOPS the hard way and fly without ETOPS till it had accomplished it.
When ANA EIS of 787 was anticipated, Boeing asked Japan again. The reply was – still no way. 787 must earn ETOPS the same hard way.
IIRC, the requirements for earning ETOPS are 12 months of non-ETOPS service AND a certain number of flight hours. How big a fleet is needed to achieve those in 12 months?
Of what real value is that comparison?
A330-200 is the closest competitor of B787-800.
80 tonnes? Are you drunk?
It was more like 4t, less than 3% of its OEW (it is now below 2%).
The B787 is above 6% and I don’t see them coming down to their proposed figures. Guess why Boeing had issues with the center wing box and the body-wing joint? Not because they are too stupid to design aircraft but because they took the weight saving and under-strengthening a bit too far.
Very well.
How much was the promised 787-800 Dreamliner lighter than A330-200?
With the 6+% overweight, how does the 7L87-800 Nightmareliner weight compare against A330-200?
148-200 shall bve built!
Seems 148-200 has an order now:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/08/27/331352/atlant-soyuz-firms-order-for-an-148s-and-tu-204sms.html
It wasn’t reverse engineered, it basically IS a DC-9. The fuselage is identical and was meant to be so as AVIC had tooling and experience in manufacturing the DC-9 (or MD-90).
The cross-section of the fuselage is identical (the length of ARJ21-700 does not match the length of any DC-9 model).
The engine is CF-34 (same as A-10!), which limits it in growth potential.
So that it would not grow past ARJ21-900… and would not compete against CS100. Whose fuselage and wingbox are also made by AVIC. And Cseries does have a new cross-section and new tooling.
ARJ21-700 is longer than DC-9-10, but shorter than DC-9-30.
Promoting Chinese
China permits startup airlines only if they fly Chinese planes:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/08/20/331257/china-encouraging-new-local-carriers-to-use-chinese.html
Another delay
Aeroflot deliveries seem to have been delayed: