Sukhoi announced that they intend to carry out test flights with a total of 4 prototype frames. The second prototype should fly in late July.
It is September now.
Has anyone heard anything about how the flight tests are progressing?
Paul,
I think a more interesting point is that a significant number of airlines have dropped first class on some/all of their long haul services, and many of these have also introduced premium economy services. The irony is…their new business class cabin has the same seat pitches as First would have had in the 80’s and 90’s and their premium economy products deliver seat pitch comparable to their old business class. So perhaps the truth is, in many markets fare levels required to sustain the ‘super-first’ product are not achievable. The airlines cannot however rename their business back to first class, because they would still be compared to those airlines operating the ‘super-first’ type seats!
Looking at
http://www.airlinequality.com/Product/seats_europe.htm
again, we can see:
Only 4 airlines have first class: Air France, British Airways, Lufthansa and Swiss. But even Swiss has 48 inches in business class, and BA has 73.
Airlines which have business class and no premium economy include
Aer Lingus – 52”
Aeroflot – 62”
Air Madrid – 47”
Alitalia – 55”
Austrian – 61”
Bmed – 50”
CSA – 47”
Delsey – 62”
Finnair – 63”
Iberia – 60”
KLM – 60”
Lauda – 50”
LOT – 57”
Olympic – 58”
Sabena – 62”
Spanair – 45”
THY – 54”
Airlines with business and premium economy include
bmi – 60”/38”
Excel – 45”/34”
SAS – 60”/37”
Virgin – 79”/38”
So… wherever the airlines are back at, it is not where they were in 1970-s before they invented business class, because then they had 42” and less in their highest class.
I have no idea who you’re used to flying with but I’ve flown in business plenty of times and had less than 42″ seat pitch. I’m not quite understanding your actual point here!
See, for example
http://www.airlinequality.com/Product/seats_europe.htm
Aer Lingus – 52”
Aeroflot – 62”
Alitalia – 55”
Austrian – 61”
BA – 73”
bmi – 60”
CSA – 47”
Finnair – 63”
Iberia – 60”
KLM – 60”
LOT – 57”
Lufthansa – 60”
Olympic – 58”
Sabena – 62”
SAS – 60”
Swiss – 48”
TAP – 58”
THY – 54”
Virgin – 79”
Shouldn’t someone move this to Commercial Aviation?
Hesitated about it. When did historic aviation end and commercial aviation begin?
Now I think of it, I forgot the dedicated freighters like An-124. What is their orderbook like?
This spring, there were talks of producing more:
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2008/04/28/afx4941659.html
Any updates about that?
And it’s smaller than a C-130 too ! 😀
Lockheed or Bombardier one?
The Emirates A380 is 1:3 scale. This means 26,6 m wingspan (bigger than E-170, almost as big as B737-100), something like 258 cm fuselage width and 285 cm fuselage height…
And that Emirates A380 is said to have operating empty weight of 45 tons. Which is IIRC more than the maximum take-off weight of E170, and definitely more than operating empty weight of C110 or C130.
So who is next after Qantas? Lufthansa, Air France or China Southern?
A380 is not the biggest aircraft (Hercules is) nor even the biggest in service (Mriya is) nor does it have biggest engines (777-300ER/200LR engines are bigger).
When does Emirates get their second frame? And when does Emirates third frame arrive? (I think 2 frames would be needed for daily DXB-JFK)
I don’t know, but a 747 a ‘small’ quad?:confused:
Well, compared to A380 everything else is…
Now I think of it, I forgot the dedicated freighters like An-124. What is their orderbook like?
Wingspan – MRJ 29,7 m, E-190 28,7 m.
Do ANA and potential other customers already know the final range and takeoff capabilities they are committing to?
Outside fuselage width: 296 cm. Compare E-jets 301 cm.
Difficult considering that half the passengers would have to climb into their seats, ie go up some type of ladders to reach their seats. Totalle impractical for kids, elderly and other disables passengers. That said, Im all for it (at least until I reach my 70s).
Plenty of planes have had upper berths. Curtiss Condor, Douglas Sleeper Transport, Boeing 307, Boeing 314, Lockheed Constellation, Boeing 377, Panagra DC-8, Philippines 747-200… I am sure I missed many.
Already mentioned
See:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=83349
How much headroom do you think is needed between floor and ceiling?
The EK layout for the lavatory is (for a RH loo) door next to stairs at approx 45 degrees when inside and facing fwd the shower is rear left, then moving fwd its the wash basin then the loo At the narrow (most fwd) end. LH Lav is a mirror copy.
Looks that this:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Airbus-A380-861/1374275/L/
is right hand lavatory looking from the toilet pot (off picture behind or beneath the photographer) backwards, towards shower and the entry door in closed position to the right then.
A nice shed
A rather nice shed:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aeroflot/Ilyushin-Il-86/0994295/L/
This staircase goes to wardrobe:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Siberia-Airlines/Ilyushin-Il-86/0688528/L/
Does anyone have any pictures inside wardrobe?