dark light

chornedsnorkack

Forum Replies Created

Viewing 15 posts - 466 through 480 (of 760 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • in reply to: Midsized longhaul widebodies #540049
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    Wing size:
    MD11 – 51,7 m span, 339 sq m area
    A340 – 60,3 m span, 362 sq m area
    Il-96 – 60,1 m span, 392 sq m area
    B-777 – 60,9 m span, 428 sq m area.

    in reply to: Iraqi Airways Orders 50+15 Aircraft #541314
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    They HAVE Airbus order:

    http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a300a310/a310/

    Note that the A310 order count is still 260. Airbus has not cancelled the 5 A310 yet to be delivered.

    in reply to: Barajas, Barcelona and AVE #541626
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    fares are still too high to compete with flight. It´s being a paradox, that AVE is being used by businessmen and plane by people seeking to pay less for their trips.

    Well, now Peking is the biggest airport. (I think Heathrow is not?)

    It is summer time now, and summer schedules. Do planes still fly MAD-BCN? And is it still the biggest air route in the world?

    in reply to: Upper limit of jetliner size? #542760
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    I wouldn’t read too much into the Stanford study. It is a trend recognition, but it fails to take into account the practicalities of building larger and larger aircraft. There is a finite amount of stress that current materials can take, which increases with size, and what the study fails to note is how the weight of the aircraft itself starts to rise rapidly as we apporach the finite limit.

    I do note the lack of structural/OEW estimates in the Stanford study. Maybe they did it, and then did not bother to give numbers. What they do seem to say is that wing weight is small enough that even if it does undergo square-cube increase, it still remains a minor factor.

    As I said earlier, we are about there in terms of limit, unless we get some major advances in material technology. Otherwise, as Schorsch noted, the aircraft will be carrying more and more of its own weight, with a lower and lower useful payload.

    For example, compare B-36 with B-29. The 70 m wingspan of B-36 is bigger than any jets till An-124. Yet B-36 has a huge useful load and long range. At which wingspan would the structural weight start to seriously limit useful load and range?

    What about An-225 and Hughes Hercules wing structural weight?

    in reply to: Upper limit of jetliner size? #542971
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    Overflew the study. The numbers for the A380 (=A3XX) are 100tons low in weight

    Agreed.

    and the wing span way too high.

    I get the opposite. They give “251 ft”, which is about 76,5 m, while the now A380 is 79,8 m. The plane must have grown some…

    in reply to: Upper limit of jetliner size? #543845
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    With limitations. The structural weight increases fast than weing area (so called square-cube law, structural weight increases as cubic function of size while wing area only as quadratic function).
    The solution is either increase of the wing loading or reduction of the volume-specific structural weight, or of the loads acting on the aircraft.

    The A380 is in the end of the useful region, anything bigger than the A380 will become less efficient and primarily lift its own weight.

    As for square-cube, see

    http://aero.stanford.edu/bwbfiles/largeACopt.html

    The limit does not seem to be nigh.

    in reply to: Upper limit of jetliner size? #544061
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    Concorde flew above turbulences.

    Yes, but the impact of touchdown exerts vertical bending momentum. Exactly the direction not reinforced by the delta wing.

    Some guy from Antonov said that you can basically design an aircraft any size. Only problem is that from some point on the landing gear becomes so heavy that the payload drops to zero.
    Ha! – Flying boats then! Like the Beriev 2500 or Boeing Pelican WIGs.

    Except that the Pelican is a pure landplane.

    The Pelican main landing gear consists of 38 legs totalling 76 wheels – 2 wheels per leg. Thus resembling the An-124 and An-225 main landing gears – 10 and 14 legs respectively, 2 wheels each.

    How heavy are An-124 and -225 landing gears? And what about the Pelican landing gear?

    in reply to: Il-96 and A340 #544752
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    Conviasa has an A340 already – and has ordered Il-96. So, for them adding more A340-s would be an option – but they prefer Il-96 instead.

    in reply to: Il-96 and A340 #544944
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    Syrianair has a fleet of A320.

    in reply to: Il-96 and A340 #544983
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    well you shall see the 96 in Air Zimbabwe livery in the future.

    The export customers of Il-96 are:
    Air Libya
    Cubana
    Syrian Arab Airlines
    Sirocco Aerospace
    Air Zimbabwe
    Conviasa
    International Air Leasing
    Armavia
    and an unknown group from China.

    in reply to: Il-96 and A340 #545207
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    The short answer to the original question is undoubtedly no.

    AFAIK, there have less than 80 Il-96s of all marks produced, but over 300 A340-300s.

    There is no doubt which aircraft has been more successful.

    Airbus says that there has been 243 A340-200 and A340-300 produced – even fewer A340-300s when the -200s are excluded.

    But the orderbook looks worse. 3 frames ordered in total. I think 2 are for Finnair and 1 for a private customer.

    And that is all.

    I think that Il-96 orderbook is bigger than 3…

    in reply to: Upper limit of jetliner size? #545210
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    Problem is that this fuselage needs to be lifted, and even on the A380 it gets increasingly problematic to accomodate for the wing root. The loads acting on the intersections of fuselage and wing are tremenduous and a reason why the A380 is quite a heavy beast (more OEW per pax than a B747).

    One restriction for A380 is the 18,3 m limit between exits. It matters because A380 is a doubledecker.

    For a single deck airplane like Concorde, overwing exits is no problem, which is why Concorde has 29 m root chord.

    However, A380 is a doubledecker. There is a pair of overwing exits – on main deck. If you look at the upper deck, it has exits just ahead of wing leading edge and just behind the trailing edge – the slides have to go clear of the wing. The maximum 18,3 m distance between exits means that the wing could not be made any wider than it is.

    (Could the matter be fixed by a middle staircase, or could it not be done?)

    in reply to: New Gulfstream jet #545503
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    Turns out that G650 basically copies Bombardier cabin size:

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/03/13/222173/gulfstream-g650-how-it-compares.html

    in reply to: New Gulfstream jet #545731
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    They say it will be the
    largest (a 14 inch wider cabin than the G550..and three inches taller),

    Yes, but G550 is notoriously narrow compared to Bombardiers.

    in reply to: New Gulfstream jet #545740
    chornedsnorkack
    Participant

    See also:
    http://www.gulfstream.com/gulfstreamg650/
    How does Gulfstream 650 compare against Bombardier Global Express?

Viewing 15 posts - 466 through 480 (of 760 total)