It happened!
The test took place:
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/05/10/Navigation/177/206552/Pictures+First+images+of+Airbus+A380+safety+briefing+and+evacuation.html
See the lower image, with first class…
Lockheed Constitution
Lockheed Constitution probably fits the company of Convair 37, Bristol Brabazon and Sud-Est Armagnac… only prototypes flew.
What’s “unreal” about the Brabazon and the Armagnac? :confused:
Neither of them ever had an order fulfilled.
But yes, both had some frames completed… Brabazon had test flights, but no Entry into Service, Armagnac was refused by Air France, but did see second-line service. What were they like?
Also, what were the principal differences between Convair XC-99 (which did fly) and Model 37? One was nominally a military transporter and the other a civilian plane, but were there supposed to be any real differences?
Just re-reading my post, one thing that I didn’t make very clear is that ‘standing by’ isn’t in itself how the airlines want to provide flexibility. It’s just an extra thing that some airlines allow passengers to do as a way of increasing flexibility over and above ticket flexibility.
Then how do the airlines want to provide flexibility?
You are right that it is a relatively cheap way of doing this, but there are some cost implications. For example an airline cannot reduce the order of catering from it’s supplier at short notice without paying for it anyway. The ‘difficulty’ I referred to was really just in the sense of getting the catering, crewing levels, etc., right when the passengers loads go up or down within minutes of departure.
I understand that with standby to the earlier flight, the passenger loads within minutes of departure can only go up – not down – and they cannot go higher than the amount of seats.
The passenger loads of a flight can go down only until the previous flight has left…
This is one apsect that makes things like capacity available, catering, etc. difficult for an airline.
Standby on earlier flight sounds a relatively cheap way of providing flexibility. At the point of transaction, everyone wins. The passenger gets transported; the airline gets rid of a seat about to fly empty by exchanging it for a seat on a later flight, whereby they gain some time to try and sell the seat, or else decrease catering or crew needed for the later flight. And if the earlier flight is sold out, or so many people want to standby on earlier flight that not all can be accommodated, they can fly as booked and neither the passenger nor the airline is any worse off than if the airline had declined to allow standby.
But I presume that flexibility should always cost to provide and there would be a catch somewhere. Or not? One thing I see is that there would be high demand to book the later flights, as they provide the flexibility…
Delivery times
Looking at the times first delivery is due:
Singapore: this November
Qantas: next April
Emirates: next April, slightly after Qantas
Malaysia: next July
China Southern: sometime next year
Sometime in 2008:
Air France
Etihad
Fedex
Korean Air
Lufthansa
Virgin Atlantic
Sometime in 2009:
Qatar
UPS
Sometime in 2010:
Kingfisher
Unknown:
ILFC
Thai
Hi Lee, quite a few airlines have the A380 on order with Singapore Airlines due to recieve the first.
Passanger Aircraft:
Air France – 10 Firm Orders with 4 Options
Emirates – 41 firm orders with 10 options
ILFC – 5 firm orders
Korean Air – 5 firm orders with 3 options
Lufthansa – 15 firm orders
Malyasia Airlines – 6 firm orders
Qantas Airways – 12 firm orders with 12 options.
Qatar Airways 2 firm orders with 2 options.
Singapore Airlines 10 firm orders with 15 options.
Virgin Atlantic 6 firm orders with 6 options.Freighter Aircraft:
Emirates – 2 firm orders
ILFC – 5 firm orders.
FedEx – 10 firm orders.This is what I understand to be the latest information, please feel to correct it where wrong :D.
EDIT: Seems this list is out of date now with Tom’s total adding up to 159 and mine only 129, looking at it this was printed in 2004! so there are another 30 orders flying around somewhere :diablo: :dev2: :rolleyes: :p .
Passenger:
China Southern:5 firm orders
Etihad: 4 firm orders
Kingfisher: 5 firm orders
Thai: 6 firm orders
thus 20;
freighters:
UPS: 10 firm orders;
Makes a total of 30, so that should be the newer orders.
I work in one of the Cargo sheds at Heathrow, there isnt much Cargo out there that would fit in the wings, most of the stuff we ship (mainly to the USA) is big bulky awkward pieces.
Do those bulky pieces fit in a belly?
Looking at just how big the useful cargo spaces in a belly are… like Boeing 717 rear cargo compartment… the height of belly is at most 99 cm from ceiling to flat floor at most 84 cm wide, in the front belly… in rear belly, there is not supposed to be a flat floor… the rear belly compartment is a total of 540 cm long… the cargo door opens inwards, and needs a clearance that extends across the aircraft centerline…
Pretty awkward place to insert big bulky pieces, isn´t it?
Landing gear – This is located where it is on low wing, wing mounted engine type aircraft because the landing gear has to be mounted on something solid, with plenty of strong structural members. On civil airliners, the strongest part of a wing is the point where the main spars meet with the structure for mounting the engines. Here, there will be some hefty structure… so, landing gear is mounted there.
There are also guidelines as to where landing gear should be mounted. Aircraft can not have landing gear with too narrow track, as the aircraft would tip over on turns on the ground. Also, landing gear has to be placed somewhere where the angle between the ground under the centre of the main landing gear wheel (rear wheel if on a bogey) and the swept up rear fuselage is 15 degrees. The ideal point for these criteria to be met is somewhere under the wings.
Another factor is centre of gravity, the main wheels need to be behind the CoG to ensure the aircraft doesnt tip back on its tail. And, main landing gear units typicallty take 85% of the weight of the aircraft, so it makes sense to have them under the wings as then, you dont need extra structure to pass the weight to the landing gear… as the spars are already doing that for you!
Indeed. The gear needs to be just the right distance behind the centre of lift and gravity – too close and the plane can tip back on tail, too far and the plane is hard to rotate. That leaves the rear part of wing.
But I observe that the aircraft with low wing and rear engines also often have the usual tricycle landing gear. They won´t have engine mounting hardpoints on wing… how do they support the landing gear?
Additionally is it very critical to have large rooms in the wing or anything like doors. Fuel doesn’t care if its room is full with spares and ribs, but luggage does.
What about landing gear, though – do the landing gear accommodations do much harm to structural integrity of wing?
Downfalls of this position of engine are that engineers need a cherry picker to carry out maintenance,
Which central engine is harder to access for maintenance or replacement – the DC-10 one (higher up) or Tristar (a bit lower, but a widebody tail is still high, and buried deep in fuselage)?
There is an inbuilt assumption in both the FARs and JAR-OPS1 that piston engined aircraft are easier to operate than turbines.
Sounds so. Does the assumption actually hold water?
On the other hand, there seems to be inbuilt assumption that turbojets and turbofans are intrinsically safer than piston engines. Piston props can fly further than 90 minutes from a diversion if they have 4 or more engines. 3 piston engine props like 2 piston engine props must stay within 90 minutes of diversion. Whereas trijets, like quadjets, can fly as far from diversion as the fuel load allows. Only twinjets are restricted to within 90 minutes of diversion.
And then there are the ETOPS privileged twinjets. Are any ETOPS privileges also given to twin piston props and turboprops? And what about three-engined piston props? And turboprops – do three-engined turboprops need ETOPS?
I would far rather have to get myself out of trouble in a King Air 200 or a Citation than in a Trislander. More levers = more opportunity to screw up 😉
Not just yourself. 17 or 18 or 19 passenger seats, plus possibly the applicable number of lap babies.
After all, it sounds that 19 passenger seats is a huge break in terms of the crew costs. From 1 crew (solo pilot) to 3 crew (2 pilots and a flight attendant). No wonder they are so popular. And IFR commercial… sounds that their basic task is to get people in and out of homes – do it reliably even if the pilot does not like the visibility and winds, do it cheap lest people are stranded where they live, and try not to crash half the population in the process…
The Citation is, in my opinion, a relatively easy aircraft to fly. However, in the opinion of the FAA the C550 is sufficiently complex to require 2 crew under most commercial operations. In order to expand their market, Cessna set about addressing the individual difficulties that the regulator had pointed out, and in producing the 550SP managed to achieve Single Pilot certification.
Neither aircraft is particularly difficult to fly, but the regulators are necessarily tough when it comes to passenger safety and apply a high hurdle.
Yes. But once C550SP had been designed and certified for a Single Pilot, was there any point for a potential customer, even a customer who normally would use two pilots, to buy two-pilot-only 550 rather than the 550SP?
The VLJs, from what we see of them so far, look like straight-wing simple-enough jets. This means that by-and-large they will achieve single-crew certification.
Well, Phenom 300 is swept-wing, but it has EIS of 2009.
However, all will be subject to type-rating courses, and the insurers are expected to place significant obstacles in the way of inexperienced owner-pilots getting into the left-hand seat.
This thought is one of the few rays of sunshine illuminating the lives of people like Socata with their TBM700 Turboprop. These old turborprop birds are starting to look very expensive compared to the projected prices of the VLJs, and without hurdles preventing their clients migrating to VLJs, people like Socata would be in real trouble.
All IMHO of course.
What do you feel is the safest plane to fly in as a solo inexperienced pilot: a single turboprop like Socata (one engine out, and you glide), a twin turboprop (two engines to manage in normal flight – but when one quits you have asymmetric thrust rather than unpowered flight… could be sustained for a long time), a twin very light turbofan (same considerations) or a single turbofan… cannot remember very many of them in service… fighters and Global Flyer. Both have a solo pilot and Global Flyer was flown solo for 80 hours or so.
You are straying into the area of personal judgement. I happen to think that both are relatively easy to fly single-crew or dual crew. However, having a second trained crewmember available when things go wrong is always an advantage.
Then I do not understand what is the point of having non-SP 550 in the first place? 550SP has the flexibility to fly two-pilot, just as easy to fly dual-crew as the non-SP 550, same airframe… the better positions for buttons and switches…
Where´s the catch?
Is there a particular point to your questions or are you just satisfying curiosity?
Satisfying curiosity. With the talk of GA and VLJ boom, it makes one wonder how they are feasible.
Well, of the Citations that fall into that category. I’ve flown the 550 and the 550SP, and the modifications do make the SP (Single Pilot) considerably easier to operate. The nature of these changes is very basic; essentially buttons, selectors and switches that have been placed in a better position.
Is the 550SP also easier to operate by two pilots than the 550 requiring two pilots?
It is noteworthy that none of the sweptwing Citations are approved for single-crew ops.
And Embraer Phenom 100 has roughly straight wing. Phenom 300 has swept wing, though – and is supposed to be suitable for single pilot flying.