chornedsnorkacki know that the two types require (and have) ETOPS-180 certification to allow them to do transatlantic flights (and that a specific operator needs to gain ETOPS certification), but what other certification would be required by an airline to operate long range flights from Europe to the US for example?
thanks
Do they really need that on Atlantic?
There is a rather small ETOPS 120 blind spot in the middle of Atlantic. Do charters bother with ETOPS 180, or just use ETOPS 120 and fly round (not a big detour)?
chornedsnorkackMy thoughts exactly. Now for a few questions:
4) Do the engines on the LR have a bigger diameter than the all the previous models?
I think they are bigger than those of 200 or 200ER, but shared with 300ER.
chornedsnorkackThe 747’s width was based on the width of a standard shipping container. As you will know the 747 was designed as a USAF cargo plane and converted later to civilian use.
So, they took the standard shipping container for granted.
Can DC-10 and Tristar accommodate those standard containers?
The A300’s width is based on two standard aircraft cargo containers (LD3?) side by side.
Which planes had those “standard aircraft cargo containers” been invented for?
chornedsnorkackSpot on, Steve.
That’s exactly what did happen, mate. 🙂
Indeed.
Who embarked? Any trip reports and interior pictures to share?
chornedsnorkackIf you’re talking about the major developments taking place then I think you need to focus on the main issues at Stansted. The proposals at STN are a ridiculous cost, and many of the plans in their G1 and G2 masterplans are elaborate beyond the necessary. The BAA seem to have forgotten who their main clients are at these airports, and shoudl have consulted them better as to how they could develop the airport going forward. The LCCs are happy not to have airbridges and other elaborate infrastructure for example, it just adds silly cost to the overall schemes. Additionally there are even question marks over the NEED for a new runway at STN!!
Partly a chicken and egg problem. How many full-service airlines would like to fly to Stansted rather than Gatwick if they found infrastructure there?
chornedsnorkackWord is that it’ll be in the “Dreamliner” scheme with PIA titles.
It’s the B777-200LR demonstrator, apparently.
Wow, that is interesting…
The demonstrator:
Business class
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0939496/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0923136/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0887392/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0864328/L/
note that there are a total of 3 rows of 7 abreast – 21J.
Economy class:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0906018/L/
4 rows of 9 abreast, plus 2 rows of 8 abreast in A300 mockup, presumably nonfunctional windows – total of 52Y.
The ballroom
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0900537/L/
Not sure how comfortable it is to dance in flight…
and that is the test equipment
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0906606/L/
With a total of 73 seats, I think Boeing had less than 50 % load factor on their HKG-LHR flight wit 35 passengers.
For comparison, the old PIA 777-200ER BusinessPlus seats:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0535796/L/
And that is how they describe it:
http://www.piac.com.pk/businessplus/businessplus.asp
One wonders – if the departure on 26th instant does not yet have the final livery, what would the interior be like?
chornedsnorkackLivery
It is supposed to bear a new PIA livery. What is it supposed to be?
chornedsnorkackOpening
Today is the Big Opening Day… any reports about conditions in Caselle?
chornedsnorkackBroken carbon fibre looks exactly like broken fibre-glass. I believe it can be patched in a similar manner, although i suppose the question of repair feasability will depend on how load-bearing the broken bit was – same as using other materials in engineering.
But that would depend on how the strength of mended material compares with the strength of newly built material, or perhaps intact worn material. For example, a lot of metals are joined by welding in the first building, so welding in a patch would give about as much strength as the intact material had.
How would you strengthen the spot where original fibreglass is joined to the patch?
chornedsnorkackYes – a “composite material” is any material which has been formed by combining 2 or more other materials to create a new material.
However – In terms of aviation and modern technology, “composite material” generally refers to a material using carbon and/or kevlar fibres woven into a sheet and then bound together using a resin.
Carbon and Kevlar fibres have massive tensile strength in terms of stretching under load, but are fairly easily cut.
Using them in composite materials involves laying down sheets of the woven material with the fibres running in alternate directions (like a mesh) and then using a high strength flexible resin (like epoxy) to bind them together and to take up any required mould shape.
The finished material is then massively strong in all directions as the dried epoxy (or matrix component to be accurate) gives flexibility to the inner weave and stops it buckling, whilst the inner cross-weave resists tension and shearing forces.
I think this is all correct, but stand by to be corrected by any super-techs out there 🙂
Ah, I see.
Can it be said that the kevlar/carbon fibre composites, while perhaps having a greater absolute strength than composites based on silken, hempen or cotton cloth or paper, have the same strengths and weaknesses and, once broken by excessive force, look like each other? And therefore can be mended in a similar manner?
If you break metal, like aluminum, it behaves differently. Aluminum can be bent out of shape, and if bent back, it can be, e. g. welded… I suppose that a mesh cannot be reconnected by welding the same way aluminum could… and a kevlar composite might perhaps have too strong and rigid epoxy matrix to allow a patch to be properly sewn on to the mesh, so as to provide a good strength…
chornedsnorkackAs for your comments about getting in and out of seat rows, aircraft cabin space is very valuable so there’s not much that can be done about that. But with a helping hand it doesn’t usually prove too difficult.
1L.
Sure. It is bad whether it is getting past a lap child, or getting past someone while carrying a lap child. But do the airlines prefer to put the lap child in the window seat, or in the aisle seat, or in the middle seat?
chornedsnorkackPIA
I think the ultimate “record” will be when the 772LR flies a longer commercial distance than any other airplane out there… meaning a revenue flight, and not just one for publicity.
Which seems not likely to be very soon.
The longest commercial distance on Airbus 340-500 is Singapore to Newark, about 9500 land miles by great circle.
Now look what is at the antipodes of Pakistan. Basically Eastern South Pacific, and some land around.
If PIA were to fly to Tahiti or Lima or Santiago de Chile, they would set a distance record. Flying to Houston or Sao Paulo or Bogota would not exceed the record of SIN-EWR. So, is there anywhere in South America where PIA would want to fly?
chornedsnorkack6. Charter a 747-400 and take all my family, friends, relatives and forum members on a round world trip!
Cannot be done. There are at most 580 or so seats in charter 747-400s, and you would not want to fly yourself, family and friends in those frames around the world. And the forum members are far more numerous.
chornedsnorkacki would buy a nice private number, and get a nice lady pilot to take me wherever i wanted to go…..
at £8000 a day interest im sure i could afford a babe!!!!
lol
hope the wife isnt reading this
🙂
Oh, a classical joke…
A woman calls her husband: “I just won a lottery! Start packing!”
Husband: “Excellent! What shall I pack, skis or beach clothes?”
Wife: “Everything! Be gone from my home by evening!”
What do wives cost in England? And what do babes cost? I mean, if you won £100 millions and walked out on your wife, how much would she get, and how much would you be left with? Or if you get a babe, and the next morning or next month or next year she walks away with someone in her belly, yours as she alleges, how much would she get if you happen to have £100 millions?
Are wives and babes prohibitely expensive no matter how much money you have, or do they have a fixed price in England so if you are rich, you can afford many of them?
Anyway, as for ladies aboard… that would suggest a plane wide enough for a real bed, at a minimum something like Falcon 900/2000/7X, or Bombardier Global Express or a big Gulfstream… (what are their costs like? Quite high…) But I suppose that joining the Mile High Club while at controls is dangerous both for male and for female pilots, not only because of distractions, but due to obstacles like pilot seats and harnesses… so it would be better to have pilots flying the plane safely while spending time with a lady back in the cabin.
Of course, if the lady in question is untrustworthy, she might get out of bed when you fall asleep, and slink to visit the pilots in forward lavatory or back of cockpit, so choosing lady pilots would make sure you are the only male aboard… Quite apart from distrusting her, generally there would be the question of proper attire in airplane cabin, it could be simply awkward to have professional men pilots visiting the cabin to get to lavatory or have their meals having to deal with passengers in states of undress.
But anyway… you might prefer keep your existing wife… even then, it would be a question of dealing with profesionals. If you can get domestic servants and relieve your wife of her household chores, who would you prefer walking around cleaning your bedroom, serving morning coffee to your marital bed and bathtub, walking in on you and your wife/babe in various states of undress – male butlers and valets, or female maids?
chornedsnorkackMillions
How many Euromillions are there?
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