errr….. Turkey is NATO member like Greece. Any western equipment Greece buys (example F-16, C-130 etc), are available for Turkey and vice-verse. S-300 the Greek Cypriots got were S-300 PMU1 but what Russia offered Turkey was the S-400 which is the most advanced version cleared for export.
This probably has to do with price and offsets, and for China its a massive breakthrough no doubt, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the US gate crashed the party.
Your source is wrong. Russian never offer S-400 to Turkey bid. Buying S-300VM will almost means Greece will also most likely how to counter your own system.
unexpected indeed…
doubt this is a done deal though
Why doubt? You expect Turkey to buy a missile system which Greece already has of S-300 and Patriot system?
As for Aster 30 , I guess it just too expensive and not much better or even inferior compare to HQ-9.
It’s just like Russians claiming Indian fighter jets crashing due to Chinese counterfiet parts. It sounds more like people trying to cover-up a lack of quaility control and laziness with trying to blame someone else. Why don’t they blame China for all those star Russian hockeys players that crashed in that Russian airliner. I’m amazed Russia hasn’t gone to war for all the sabotage China is suppoosedly responsible.
Precisely, end of the day. Its the contractor responsibility to check out all the parts install, oversee the progress of the installation. If they are inferior or fake parts install which causes it to malfunction. It the contractor fault or laziness not to spot it out or lacking of solution for such things to happen.
Never heard anyone refer to refractory bricks as “COTS” before lol.
Anyway funny situation for the Chinese.On one hand reputation of their mil-ind at stake[or maybe they perceive it that way] and on the other side they must be having a chuckle at the carrier being delayed again.In any case the ultimate responsibility rests with Sevmash.
I think is more of Russian military at stake.. They screw up the project and looking a cheap way out of this situation without paying the extra repair costs by lying their way out.
Remember our Dear russian friend boast about how China going to beg them for 50 Su-35 deal. How our Chinese side need to assure them of their copyright product. End up is just hot air from Russian. Again, the Chinese defence spokemen needs to come out and clarify this kind of nonsense that we are never interested in Su-35.
We are indeed happy at the delay but its not our fault. So is a win plus win situtation for us! ๐
Then were pray tell did they acquire firebricks from then ?
Sounds like damage controle from China mostly aimed for their own populas.
I think it shall be the Russian doing the damage control by maligning the Chinese side. Minister of defence of china come out and clarify. So what you think?
Do we know why the J-11A outperformed the J-11B?
Pilot quality. ๐
Don’t be offended but it’s a bit rich you stating how ‘right’ you are, when the vast majority of the time you’re utterly wrong (and conveniently disappear for extended periods). The latest is that the faulty/inappropriate thermal shielding materials were sourced from China* as they’re no longer made in Russia, oh and there’s issues with refrigerators & nitrogen generators sourced from Western Europe.
http://en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120928/176280681.html
China has denied Russian claims that Chinese firebricks were to blame for boiler failures in the Russian-refitted Indian Navy aircraft carrier Vikramaditya, which suffered propulsion problems during sea trials in the Barents Sea last month, local daily Beitsin Chenbao reported, quoting Defense Minister Yan Yujun.
“We checked this, and found that Chinese enterprises which make such firebricks for naval propulsion systems have never exported such products to Russia,” Yan said.
Earlier this month, Russian media reports, quoting Andrei Dyachkov, President of United Russian Shipbuilding corporation which refitted the carrier, claimed the ship’s boilers had been damaged due to failures in the brick insulation separating them from the ship’s structure. The shipyard used “sub-standard Chinese firebricks,” Dyachkov said.
Another official involved in preparing the Vikramaditya for sea trials, claimed the reason for the boilersโ failure was India refused to use asbestos to protect the structure around the boilers from heat, fearing that the material was dangerous for the crew. He said the boilersโ designer had to use firebrick, which proved not sufficiently heatproof.
The Vikramaditya was to have been handed over to India on December 4 after the sea trials following a much-delayed refit that has gone massively over-budget. The deadline has now been postponed again until October 2013, and the cost of the new repairs to the boilers has not been revealed.
The boiler problem is the latest in a string of hold-ups in the refit of the ship, in a defense deal that has turned into a shipwreck of its own, going way over budget and being repeatedly delayed.
India and Russia signed a $947 million dollar deal in 2005 for the purchase of the carrier, formerly the Russian Navy’s Admiral Gorshkov, but delivery has already been delayed twice, pushing up the cost of refurbishing the carrier to $2.3 billion.
Sevmash shipyard director Vladimir Pastukhov was fired in 2007 over his poor management of the project.
The Vikramaditya was originally built as the Soviet Project 1143.4 class aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov. The Project 1143.4 carriers and a class of destroyers with the same engines suffered a history of boiler failures during their lives.
The ship was laid down in 1978 at the Nikolayev South shipyard in Ukraine, launched in 1982, and commissioned with the Soviet Navy in 1987.
It was renamed after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. In 1994, the Gorshkov sat in dock for a year for repairs after a boiler room explosion. In 1995, it briefly returned to service but was finally withdrawn and put up for sale in 1996.
The ship has a displacement of 45,000 tons, a maximum speed of 32 knots and an endurance of 13,500 nautical miles (25,000 km) at a cruising speed of 18 knots.
Hope this news clarify any issue. ๐
The same could be said about Chinese. They put up the J-20 to eyes of the public very quickly – even before the thing has flown. They surely must be equally desperate.. :confused:
I thought I am talking about airshow when did it become public? :rolleyes: Pal, your LOGIC FAILED.
You don’t expect a single (surpose to be state of art)fighter jet perform like a jumbo jet in a airshow, right?
i detect a sense of jealousy from the J-20 crowd here.
You say I shall be jealous of the Russian engine blow out in the airshow? Lol.. As I say they are rushing things for something…
I don’t know who they try to convince…
Only two conclusions here: you are retarded, or are pretending to be to further some personal agenda. :rolleyes:
In case it is the former, then the brief explanation is as follows:
Sukhoi is obviously not going to put two airframes early in testing through the most intense maneuvering. On the other hand, see the Su-35S display – and think of that the PAK-FA will do in 2 years from today. That’s all sir.
Did I hit right on your spot, retarded?
Please elaborate. :rolleyes:
Why do they put the T-50 so quickly in the airshow? From the display, nothing impressive or extraordinary. The fact , the engine screw up during the show somehow suggest they quickly try to at least put up something to prove some work or progress been carry out over the time.
Since the MAKS 2011 began, the PAK FA did nothing suprisingly, could we query is it the time too early to joint the MAKS 2011 for PAKFA? Afterall, merely one and half year from its maiden flight.
Another aspect, its active interference for coming missile is really amazing, here I am seeking more information about it.
The Russian are desperate. Don’t you think so?
Has China invaded other countries? Well, Sinkiang didn’t become part of China by the democratic vote of its people. Conquered & re-conquered frequently. Vietnam was invaded in 1788-9, Burma 1765-9. A lot of territory in what is now NE China used to be Korean or Mongolian. Large parts of Sichuan were cleared of people speaking Tibetan-related dialects, mostly by straightforward massacre, & repopulated with Chinese settlers in the 18th century, when the locals refused to accept the benefits of Chinese rule. Other Tibetan speakers then became more co-operative.
This policy of genocide & resettlement has been used on other occasions, when non-Chinese peoples proved exceptionally reluctant to remain conquered.
Come on, the British are equally guilty of that. Falkland?
What does anyone care about how much the Chinese government is spending? It’s not your money and the Chinese people are experiencing a better standard of living than anytime during European colonialism. I thought the idea of some who want treat China like Reagan did with the Soviet Union was to get them to go bankrupt wasting money trying to catch up. They’re wasting money so what are you complaining about?
They are bitching it because China military spending is not enough… ๐
Anyway, the carrier is back after the trial
The Russian girl is damm sweet! ๐