2003年12月,关键性的FC-1动力国产化工作浮出水面。中航一集团宣称,贵州航空发动机研究所配合FC-1的研制工作,开展了涡轮风扇发动机关键技术研究和新型涡轮风扇发动机设计出图等工作,拉开了黎阳公司涡轮风扇发动机研制的序幕。根据我国涡扇发动机的发展现状及FC-1的具体情况,毫无疑问,此处提及的涡扇发动机即RD33或其改型。据互联网消息,传说中贵发研制的FC-1国产化发动机――WS-13(RD-33的国产改进型)已经进行多时。。。大部分零部件可以利用RD-33的,部分只需略加改良,小部分是新研制的。外廓尺寸相近,引进了改良后的RD-33的大部分生产工艺设备对一条WP-13生产线进行技术改造,3俄方负责培训技术人员和部分工人,培训完一批工人连设备一起运回,安装调试进行生产,合理安排各部件生产进度,交叉并行进行。由中俄双方在RD-33的设计基础上,对局部结构设计进行改良。预计2004年1月点火,2005年8月定型。现已进入零件组装阶段。WS-13将命名为“天山-21”。
Rumour of FC-1 using domestic WS-13….
just standing up for J-8 a little bit, J-8F at the present condition is a more dangerous fighter in A2A than su-27sk.
Just to add in a little. A2A for J-8F in BVR only…. But when comes to Dog fight, Su-27SK wins hand down with great agility
MOGADISHU (Reuters) – Somali Prime Minister Ali Mohamad Gedi said parliament will declare a period of martial law to maintain control of the country after Ethiopian and government troops wrested the capital from rival Islamists.
The fall of Mogadishu came after a 10-day offensive by government and allied forces to reclaim much of the territory seized by the Somalia Islamic Courts Council (SICC) since June.
While Gedi on Thursday celebrated a triumphant return to his home village outside Mogadishu for the first time since 2002, he acknowledged the chaotic country was far from stable.
“This country has experienced anarchy and in order to restore security we need a strong hand, especially with freelance militias,” he said of the country which has not had an effective government since the 1991 ouster of a dictator.
Gedi told reporters in Mundul Sharey, a dusty village some 40 km (25 miles) southwest of Mogadishu, parliament would declare martial law on Saturday for a period of three months.
The flight of the Islamists was a dramatic turn-around in the Horn of Africa nation after they had spread across the south imposing sharia rule and confined the interim government to its base in Baidoa until less than two weeks ago.
Terrified of yet more violence in a city that has become a byword for chaos, some Mogadishu residents took to the streets to cheer government troops, while others hid. Some SICC fighters ditched their uniforms to avoid reprisals.
Government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari said the Islamists had fled to the southern port city of Kismayu and that the administration now controlled 95 percent of Somalia.
But analysts said a government victory was in no way certain and that the conflict could be about to take another turn.
“ASSYMETRICAL WAR”
“I think we’re at a crossroads right now,” said Ken Menkhaus, Horn of Africa specialist at Davidson College in Charlotte, North Carolina.
He said the government could exploit splits within the SICC and attract some members to join a unity government.
“But alternatively this could be the beginning of a new kind of war,” Menkhaus said.
“One in which the Islamists are going to fight their kind of war … an assymetrical war involving a combination of hit and run guerrilla attacks, car bombings, assassinations and possibly even selected acts of terrorism on other parts of East Africa.”
With Eritrea accused of backing the Islamists, many feared the conflict could engulf the Horn of Africa. Ethiopia, like the United States, says the Islamists are supported by al Qaeda.
Ethiopian troops and air strikes were critical to the government’s assault, experts say, and there is some question what will happen when Addis Ababa finally withdraws its forces.
“The idea that the Ethiopians can just bring this government from outside, plonk it down in the capital and walk away and everything will be solved — I think that’s very, very unrealistic,” Richard Dowden, director of the Royal African Society, told Sky News in London.
Islamist leader Sheikh Sharif Ahmed said his forces were united and determined to push out Ethiopian forces, but had retreated to avoid more bloodshed.
The SICC had brought a semblance of stability to Mogadishu after chasing U.S.-backed warlords from the city in June. Residents said order had collapsed with their departure.
Menkhaus said Ethiopia would probably remain in parts of Somalia for a time but would not want its troops in Mogadishu for long. He said, however, it would only withdraw if the transitional government forces (TGF) could keep order.
“The only way the TGF is going to do that is if it quickly builds some alliances with disaffected groups in Mogadishu. They cannot do it on their own, absolutely cannot,” he added.
While aid flights were suspended temporarily when Somalia closed its border during the latest fighting, plans were now under way for their resumption, the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in New York.
Thousands of families are reported to have fled their homes for other parts of Somalia to avoid the fighting but there has been no large-scale flow of war-related refugees into neighbouring Kenya, OCHA said.
Sources can be found in yahoo news..
Looks like the war end quite fast and ethiopia complete the mission in just 10 days?
The Su’s are fairly large and heavy machines. I wonder if it wouldn’t be better for them to hold off a bit and opt for the supposedly new medium (MiG-29) sized aircraft that Russia and India are rumored to be working on. From what I read, India decided to go for a new MiG design instead of Su’s PakFA/T-50 since the Su is bigger and more expensive than what they require. Argentina may also have similar requirements where a MiG-29 sized aircraft will be better for their needs.
—–JT—–
I think Argentina and some other South American countries can’t afford to wait any longer. This project will take sometime..
Is it possible to get Sukhoi but fit it with western radar?
E2C cannot datalink and co-ord JF-17 and J-7E…
China AWACS is still needed
Hmm Golli nice analysis indeed very nice, what I’d like to point you is P15A might get Barak 2 which has 80 to 100 kms range.
Anyways I’m waiting for the next gen P18 Class DDG’s after 2010, seriously that might even have a integrated ABM type of long range SAM as India recently tested ….if they can somehow navalize things like those.
Can you tell me how many missiles the 052C carries in VLS? as you said AAW.
Whats the diff in AAW between P15A and 052C.
Are u sure Barak 2 got 80km-100km version?
It looks like ps to me…
Same sentiment.. The missiles and aircraft looks badly aline plus the color contrast of ammunition and the fighter… The smoke looks damm FAKE!!!
Actually more like stupidity. US R&D labs are dependent on foreigners especially the Chinese. Ten years ago I read that Chinese, American and foriegn born, make up 25% of the scientists and engineers in US R&D. It must be larger now since fewer and fewer American students go into such fields. After the Wen Ho Lee debacle, the US Congress was moving to ban all Chinese in US weapons labs, but then that policy suddenly reversed itself when Congress found out that Chinese scientists and engineers made up an important part US R&D. Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t. Maybe if American children weren’t led to believe they can all be professional athletes, rock musicians, and celebrities, the US wouldn’t be dependent on all those “foreigners” to make it Made in America!
Just to mention one of the most famous former Chinese American scientist.. Tsien Hsue-shen who was banished by the American and later become the forefather of Chinese Space program…
You and sealordlawrence both make good points. The nuclear balance is indeed why we are all still here, no question about that.
What I was trying to point out is the attitude that the Russians have; namely that the US is a threat to them. People seem so anxious to “forget” that throughout the Cold War, the USSR was the agressor and threat, never the US. The Americans never had any designs on invading and raising the flag in Moscow, Minsk, and Leningrad. You cannot say the same thing about the Russians’ thoughts regarding Paris, Berlin, and London.
Now, I’m not denying that there were a few nutjobs in the military-industrial establishment in the US who thought attacking the USSR was a good idea. But attacking the USSR and Warsaw Pact was never something America was going to do. Again, you can’t say the same about Soviet intentions toward NATO and the West. If they thought an invasion of NATO could have succeeded, at an acceptable cost to themselves, I believe they would have done it.
So in my opinion, Putin trying to play off his own arms buildup as a defensive response to the “American threat” is ridiculous, and transparent.
LOL!! Joke of the Day….
How does the HJ-10 looks like Mokopa? The shape of the front nose and fin of both missiles looks different..
HJ-10 fin looks bigger and nose looks sharper…
From strategypage.com…….
Russia Allows Export of RD93 to Pakistan
November 24, 2006: Russia has relented, and will now allow China to export it’s new JF17 (also known as FC-1 and Super 7) fighter to Pakistan. Pakistan has paid for much of the development expenses., and was not happy when Russia insisted that, because the FC1 uses a Russian engine, the RD93, China could not export the fighter. Russia did not want to offend India, a major arms customer, by being one of the suppliers for FC-1s used by Pakistan (an enemy of India). Pakistan also has a deal to build the FC-1 itself, using Chinese and Russian components.
The 13 ton JF17 is meant to be a low cost ($20 million) alternative to the American F16. The JF17 is considered the equal to earlier versions of the F16, but only 80 percent as effective as more recent F-16 models. The JF17 uses the same Russian engine, the RD-93, that is used in the MiG29. The JF-17 design is based on a cancelled Russian project, the MiG33. Most of the JF-17 electronics are Western, with Italian firms being major suppliers. The JF-17; can carry 3.6 tons of weapons and use radar guided and heat seeking missiles. It has max speed of Mach 1.6, an operating range of 1,300 kilometers and a max altitude of 55,000 feet.
The JF17 first flew three years ago, and the aircraft is expected to enter service next year. China is trying to build an engine equal in performance to the RD93, but isn’t quite there yet. Pakistan planned on buying 150 of the JF17s, but now says it may build and buy as many as 300.
The Russians say they relented because they realized that if they did not sell the RD93 engines to Pakistan, someone else, an European or American firm, would come in with a similar engine and get all that business. Apparently, this argument was sufficient for the Indians, who did not go out of their way to interfere.
Errr… Strategy page is not that reliable as some forumer mentions but i believe in the end,Russian will still approve the re-export of their RD_93 engines. Plus u can easily spot plenty of bull in these article with the highlighted one.
Might as well the article say FC-1 is design by Russian with DSI improvement provided by Lockheed Martin…LOL!!!
Heres what i originally said…
And heres your original reply…
So i asked whats so special about the SD10 that you think that its better than amraam…but you didnt have any answers…Evereybody knows that the Blk52 F16 is a really good plane compared to most other planes in service now…even they performed quite well against the Su30MKIs of the IAF in Cope2006…and you who doesnt even know what radar is going into the JF17 except that its a chinese one :rolleyes: think that the JF17 is as good as the F16 blk 52….
Jeez…
Except that the jokes on you mister.
U haven answer my question?
Spec(Radar,ECM,Datalink) of JF-17??? Give me…
Let me quote one of yr sentence..
you who doesnt even know what radar is going into the JF17 except that its a chinese one :rolleyes: think that the JF17 is as good as the F16 blk 52….
How u know JF-17 is not as good as F-16 block 52 since u don know what radar is going into JF-17 ??
Answer me!!
I think that the Blk52 F16 with western avionics and Amraam is a tough cookie to beat…but you seem to think that just because JF17 has got SD10 its a world beater!!!So tell me about the JF17 radar and its capabilities…
Yeah…its a Joke :rolleyes:
When did I say Jf-17 with SD-10 is world beater? U are the one saying F-16C/D block 52 will be a tough nut to crack compare to JF-17. SO u shall have the spec of 2 aircraft(radar,ecm,datalink) available…
U shall be the one providing the info of JF-17 with SD-10!!
Tell me!!
What a joke!! :rolleyes:
I was talking about the pictures of the aircraft. Not the development timeline. Feel free to stop acting defensive. Or did you have J-10 photos back in 1998 that we all missed?
ok…yr time frame is wrong.. Cos during 1998,internet development in PRC was weak! Compare to now. If first J-XX starts flying in 2010 as i predicted, we will see the pic soon(3months) as mass circulation of info in PRC is widespread!
That considering the western avionics and missiles on the F16 Blk52…they are really difficult to beat….. 😀
That’s a joke!
First u don even know what’s the capabilities of JF-17 radar,ECM,datalink,SD-10…. and u can make comment on it? If u talk abt engines specs,i will concede it’s inferior but…
U can predict the future?