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  • in reply to: Chinese News, Photos, and Speculation #10 #2532105
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    probably a test plat form and perhaps weapons intergration. It fitting R-73 on J-8?

    Btw what is the feasability that J-8 will carry only one LS-6 on the centre line pylon without any drop tank?

    Not a big bomb load and drastically shortened range…

    As what u say,it might be a test plat therefore no full load(I believe the center pylon can fit at least 2 LS-6).

    As for the missile,it looks quite like AA-11 too.. I cannot comfirm but definitely not domestic missile!

    in reply to: Chinese News, Photos, and Speculation #10 #2532133
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    Hmmmm …. ????? Just found at CDF !

    J-8H or F + LS-6 … real or PSed ???? :confused:

    … and the number 60093 is also strange to me !

    How come the J-8H carries R-73 and not domestic PL-8 or Pl-9???

    in reply to: Aircaft carrier with UCAV #2080825
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    I have yet to see a UCAV land on a carrier.

    Any of these larger amphibious assault ships or helicopter carriers should be able to launch them. Many in the 8,000-40,000 ton region. The larger american ones could operate possibly hundreds each.

    HUndreds looks quite impossible as u seen the size of X-45 which is quite big,with decent payload of at least 6 JADM. U can’t expect the UCAV to be too small. Plus the UCAV maybe modify into BVR interceptor with carrying AMVRAAM providing another layer of Air defence. PLus the main purpose of having UCAV for carrier is to keep CV operating cost low(NO more colossal carrier build) while offering almost equally powerful strike projection unmatch by cruise missle carrier.

    in reply to: Zhuhai 2006 #2532513
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    I thought i will see at least a static display of WS-10A. So it’s only a photo of WS-10A with no spec? Quite disappointing. 🙁

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    J11B in PLAAF camouflage taking off, powered by twin WS-10A turbofan engines

    http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/Military_Pictures/J11Binservice.jpg

    This is good news,this will make those Russian eat their words abt skceptical of PRC having a indigenous J-11B. Now we don need Russia on their AL-31 engines for J-11B.

    Next thing coming soon will be seeing photo of J-11B loaded with LS-6 glided bomb,PL-9C and PL-12….. 😀

    in reply to: FC-1 Prototype 04: the Saga Continues #2532826
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    I believe the solution will be China bought RD-33 production line right and pay them huge amount of money. Since the engines is being produced in China,what can India say abt Russia? They never break their promise to India since the thing is produced in China.

    End of the story,we will still see a RD-93 in FC-1 in March but in a different name(Taihan?). Just like PLA Type86 IFV which is basically a BMP-1 IFV but different name!

    in reply to: FC-1 Prototype 04: the Saga Continues #2533051
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    Actually, the article said the RD-93 cannot be exported to any third country not just Pakistan.

    I find the whole thing rather made up. Unless China negotiated the contract fully for domestic use only, this report doesn’t make no sense whatsoever.

    The FC-1 was targeted for export from the very beginning and both the Russians and the Chinese knew it. Whoever negotiated the contract on both sides knew this.

    Anyone who’ve been involved in contract negotiations would know that small details are hammered out. But where an engine ends up is a massive point, not a small detail. There is no way that this was overlooked.

    I find this to be a no-brainer. India can’t stop the RD-93 going to Pakistan anymore than it could stop the RD-93 or Su-30 going to China. All the evidence reflect this. The FC-1 lines are being set up in Pakistan. The initial eight production will be in Pakistan by 2007. Countries don’t make this kind of investment on contractual fine print.

    Unexpected manufacturing problems stgopping projects? Yes. But contractual hangups? No. If there was a contractual problem, the contract would never have been signed and China would not have pushed the FC-1 as an export.

    India not able to stop Russia military sales to PRC and India able to stop military sales to Pakistan is a totally different thing.

    First,look at the scale of Russia military sales to PRC,IS HUGE!!! Who don want to earn big bucks? unless India is going to buy up whatever PRC going to buy from Russia….

    While RD-93 engines deal represents only a small part of profit for Russian and has a big chances of hurting the relationship with its second largest buyer! Who wants to hurt its own deal with yr second buyer?

    As I mention,FC-1 is meant only as export for PRC. Russia views this terminates of re-exporting will not damage its r/s with PRC much as PRC main line fighter J-10 and J-11 will continue to chunk out with full Russian assistance. Basically,JF-17 re-exporting issue is a Pakistan problem,not PRC problem….. The most China will lose 100 million which is only peanuts to PRC!
    For Pakistan,not only money is lose but modernisation of its airforce will be halt!

    in reply to: FC-1 Prototype 04: the Saga Continues #2533066
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    Actually, the article said the RD-93 cannot be exported to any third country not just Pakistan.

    Yes…but with China as Russia biggest arm buyer,Russia won’t whine too much. For Pakistan case is becos Russia has promise India(Russia second largest arm buyer) that it will not sell military tech to Pakistan. An important allied of Russia complains,more or less u must listen to them,right?
    I don see the exportable countries I mention will have some Russia allies complaining abt selling FC-1 to them?

    While Russia did not listen to the PRC needs will not hurt their r/s much as FC-1 is not a main front-line fighter of PRC. FC-1 is meant only as an EXPORT!

    “Pakistan is not included in the list of countries with whom Russia has military-technological trade, meaning that the re-export of Russian military goods to Pakistan is not possible,” said the Russian military producer Rosoboronexport. The Federal Military-Technology Trade Service confirmed to Kommersant that it does not intend to include Pakistan. Including Pakistan could harm relations with India, with which Russia has signed an agreement not to deliver military technology to Islamabad. “

    in reply to: FC-1 Prototype 04: the Saga Continues #2533070
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    Hardly logical.
    $267 million for 100 engines
    $500 odd million for overall R&D
    Numerous working hours
    Reputation on line

    Dont think so.

    For China,the most it lose. Is the deal of JF-17 with Pakistan. But Russian never stop China from re-exporting this plane with its engines to other countries like Iran,Libya,Mynmar,Blangledash or Venezuela…..

    FC-1 as export will other continue other countries except Pakistan unless Pakistan is going to spend more than India on Russia techs!

    in reply to: Zhuhai 2006 #2533105
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    Long awaited WS-10A

    Why are we seeing the repeated pic of WS-10A? Any new development or news like spec which indicates the Thrust and flying hours,life span?

    in reply to: FC-1 Prototype 04: the Saga Continues #2533111
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    Above article also states…The MiG corporation has also won a tender from the Indian government to deliver 126 fighter jets for a sum of $6.5 billion.

    Anyway the article once again gives rise to the question that if these engines can’t be re-exported to Pakistan and that PLAAF/PLAN has not made any commitments to FC-1 yet, who are those 100 engines meant to be for???

    Means deal void,China incurred losses…..

    in reply to: FC-1 Prototype 04: the Saga Continues #2533146
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    Russia Chooses Between $1.5 Billion and $2 Billion
    // Will Russia Honor Its Military-Technology Deals with China or with India?
    China has appealed to Russia to include Pakistan in the list of countries with which Moscow has military-technological trade partnerships. Otherwise, China cannot fulfill its contract for the delivery to Pakistan of FC-1 fighter planes with Russian engines. If Russia refuses, it could complicate trade relations with China, which bring in $2 billion annually. Agreement, however, could threaten Russia’s ties with India, which are worth more than $1.5 billion per year.
    This week an official Chinese delegation will arrive in Moscow for negotiations. According to information obtained by Kommersant, the Chinese representatives will insist that Pakistan be included in the list of countries with which Russia has agreed to conduct military-technological trade. Otherwise, Beijing will have to default on its contract to deliver FC-1 fighter jets to Pakistan. According to the existing contract with Beijing, Russia has agreed to outfit Chinese fighter jets with Russian engines. Unfortunately for Beijing, however, according to an addendum to the contract, China does not have the right to re-export planes with Russian engines to a third country.

    The FC-1 (also known as the Super-7), the first Chinese multifunction fighter jet, is oriented towards the international market. Chengdu Aircraft Industry began the development of the plane in the early 1990s. Around 50% of the costs ($75 million) were carried by Pakistan. China’s National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation, Pakistan’s Aviation Integrated Company, Israel’s IAI, and Russia’s OKB-Mikoyan Engineering Center all took part in the project. The FC-1 made its first flight in August 2003.

    China signed an agreement with Pakistan to deliver 150 FC-1 jets under the name JF-17 Thunder. But it was impossible to get the Russian engines for them. “Pakistan is not included in the list of countries with whom Russia has military-technological trade, meaning that the re-export of Russian military goods to Pakistan is not possible,” said the Russian military producer Rosoboronexport. The Federal Military-Technology Trade Service confirmed to Kommersant that it does not intend to include Pakistan. Including Pakistan could harm relations with India, with which Russia has signed an agreement not to deliver military technology to Islamabad. The trade in military technology between Russia and India is worth more than $1.5 billion annually. The MiG corporation has also won a tender from the Indian government to deliver 126 fighter jets for a sum of $6.5 billion.

    However, Beijing could also bring its weight to bear on Russia in terms of future contracts: talks are being held concerning Su-33 fighters (up to 48 planes for up to $2.5 billion), 15 Be-200 amphibious planes with “Sea Snake” targeting systems ($400 million), almost 40 Ka-29 transport helicopters and more than 20 Ka-31 helicopters (around $200 million), and four Zubr (“Bison”) hydroplane boats (around $210 million).

    The terms of the contract signed by Rosoboronexport and China in 2005 for the delivery of 100 RD-93 engines for FC-1 fighters, along with parts and service, for $267 million is also under strain for a different reason. Russia was supposed to deliver 15 engines by September, but only ten have been delivered so far: the Chinese have refused to accept the remaining five because of technical problems, and delivery has now been pushed back to December. China is additionally suggesting that that RD-93 be modernized and its thrust increased from 8.3 to 9 tons in order to pump up the tactical-technical specifications of the FC-1. Rosoboronexport has yet to make a decision, since the modified RD-93 has not been completely developed yet in Russia.

    Experts in the field believe that China will not succeed in winning a concession from Russia on the question of re-export and that it will have to seek a compromise with Pakistan. “Russia will never give China the right to re-export its military technology to Pakistan, since that would threaten [Russia’s] multibillion dollar contracts with India,” believes Russia/CIS Observer editor Maksim Pyadushkin. “However, Beijing will never drop the FC-1 program. The most important thing for the Chinese now is to get RD-93 engines that they can take apart and copy in the future, like they do with everything in China.” In the opinion of experts, Beijing will most likely offer Islamabad either another plane or, if worst comes to worse, return its money for the development of the FC-1.
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    in reply to: Chinese News, Photos, and Speculation #10 #2533802
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    为类似F-32的下颚前伸式进气道,单发动机,双外斜垂尾。此外,千龙网记者还注意到这一模型的材质与其他飞机的塑料和木质不同,是很重的纯铁结构,很可能正是用来做风洞吹风试验的精确比例模型
    ————the discribe of chinese ucav wind tunnel model,structure just like a canard high speed x-32 😀 😀

    One of the TEL is a KS-1A SAM launcher?

    in reply to: Zhuhai 2006 #2533805
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    JL-9 advanced trainer on show in Zhuhai

    L-15 will be better suit to use the word ” Advanced Trainer”…. 😀

    JL-9 is just another evolute Mig-21….

    in reply to: FC-1 Prototype 04: the Saga Continues #2535256
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    FC-1 Prototype 04 flying …

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