Z-9G photo

Btw,have some questions for u guys! Does Z-9G capable of loading a few crack troops(3-4) even with full mounted of ATGM(Something like the Mi-24 Hind)?

A interesting things is why Z-9G never fitted with a fixed in 0.5 or 7.62 GPMG for taking out soft target like full body armour infantry or light armour vehicle(Using ATGM on them is too wasteful).
A fixed in GPMG of small calibre on the left or right front nose will not take up much weight and will increase the mission and purposes of the attack chopper.

I know Z-9G can carry a dettachable 23mm cannon or 12.7mm machine gun on the weapon pylon but will reduce the number of ATGM or rocket pod it can carrry…

The FC-1 project in contrast, seems to have an exponential degree of more openness and publicity, so one can’t really say that information isn’t generally available. If this type is going to go into PLAAF service ( I don’t think China would invest so many resources just for Pakistan’s sake ), it should be considered equally sensitive.

FC-1 has not attract any PLAAF order yet and it unlikely,in fact FC-1 is a downgrade of J-10 as J-10 is too sensitive at the moment( u don see,J-10 being offer for export except for very close allies?). FC-1 is meant to attract export order if it is not open abt it,how is it going to attract any buyer with it secrecy??? Pakistan also pay for the development fee but u are talking like China paying evryhting for the R&D of FC-1. Plus FC-1 is meant for export,making money… That is the sole reason FC-1 is also support by CAC in the first place with PLAAF blessing too. Basic logic!

Unfortunately, you are restricting this to your perception of reliable. If we were to use those standards wrt the the Tejas, we would be making all sorts of assumptions as well. In our case (Tejas), even with a degree of openness, official press releases, auditing, publications, pictures and first hand interactions, we often find that such info derived from the former are’nt always accurate. Therefore, you must understand that some others have higher standards when it comes to reliability of information, especially when they are bombarded with skepticism from their own side for the lack of even greater detail.

PLAAF and IAF operates differently,pls don compare how they publise their fighter jet.

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Sigh..the day you actually prove it instead of speculating the same from pictures will be the day everyone shuts up. Serials can be PS’ed. PS Jobs have been professional enough and frequent enough to put a big question mark on the credibility of all pics. It would’nt be too unfair to assume that weapons firing and IFR pics would have also been released, if CAC were gracious enough to release earlier PR pics. So pardon me for being a bit skeptic.

The J-10 may or may not be in full service. But the latter cannot be presented as an argument at this stage until real proof exists. The Eurofighter and Rafale programmes have a large number of prototypes and have crossed a huge amount of milestones but they still have’nt acheived FOC or design goals. It is nothing less than ridiculous to make such huge assumptions when the numerous goal posts and complications inherent to such projects, not to mention the massive difficulties in crossing each, have been carefully laid out for all to see.

Actually, the narrator of the mentioned Nat Geo programme also mentioned that the Tejas was “almost in active service”. We know that the same isn’t quite true. However, were that to be processed by the brains of crowds with a history of speculation and no real access to official info, assumptions would again fly! Point is that nothing can be taken at face value and the J-10 is no exception.

I think that is plain sour grapes! Why not u say the all the pictures of J-10 circulate on the net are Psed? A number of reliable website on have comfirmed the serial number ,not hundreds if not but at least 3-4 dozens of operational which is far far ahead of th LCA which is still in the stage of prototypes with a few. It is more ironic that this prototypes are even flying in Indian national day. PROTOTYPE ONLY!!

As somebody mention,this thread shouldn’t even exist ,cos it is comparing something operational with a aircraft with a big (?)…many things on talking and on paper only,which stated operational times are still 2-3 yrs away!

I might as well say J-10 in next 2-3 yrs will fitted with super engine with 18000kg thrust,can supercruise and fitted with superior AESA radar can track opponent aircraft 300km from and engage 8 targets 200km away…

Talk and on paper only…. Talk is cheap! 😀

Production of the J-10 has reached three figures and the LCA is still many years away from full service entry.

To be fair, it seems hard to believe that the LCA will ever come close matching the potential production totals for the J-10. China has an operational 5th generation fighter today. India is having a hard time transitioning from the technology demonstrator phase to a credible pre-production prototype.

So u are saying J-10 win completely hands down in this thread? :diablo:

JF-17

Surprisingly they are using a prototype 01 version which will never make it into operation.. LOL!!! Why didn’t they use the Prototype 04 which will probably the final and operational as comparison?? 😀

Right, China is at the centre of the world and we all need it.

I didn’t say that…but it is a undenying fact PRC is decisive for present Vietnam victory. From securing North Vietnam border to large quantity of logistic provided(Ho Chih Min Trail)… Without PRC backing,no present Vietnam!