Showtime 100In the 1960s VietNam was divided into two states due to different ideololgies, but fundamentally the country is one. America can install as many puppet governments as it wants in the South but the resistance from the VietNamese people would never stop. Even if the VC is damage.
America can bomb VietNam over and over again, American soldiers can keep raping and murdering VietNamese civilians but victory belong to the people of VietNam. In the battle between decent human beings and bloodthirsty barbarians, the human will always be the victor.
One important factor….If PRC says they don mind US occupied North Vietnam,North vietnam will long time ago roll over by US army and Sea amphibious attack from US marine!
Showtime 100ISLAMABAD – Pakistan has decided to delay signing a deal to purchase F-16 aircraft from the US after it found that the planes would be delivered without electronic warfare systems, which are vital for real time monitoring. The F-16 deal is thought to be Pakistan’s reward for assisting the US in the war on terror, but relations between the two allies are on a low in recent months.
After the Pakistani Air Force complained that the warfare components were missing, the Ministry of Defense requested the US Secretary of Air Force International Affairs, (SAIFA) to extend the date of purchase till December 31 this year, according to a report in Pakistani weekly Friday Times. Pakistan was thought to be on the verge of signing the letter of acceptance (LOA) for purchase of 36 F-16 fighters, but the deal looks to be in murky waters now.
President Musharraf is expected to speak to his US counterpart George Bush on the matter this week. The deal was delayed because the US decided to impose new conditions. “So the signing deal is off. Perhaps President Musharraf will try to extract some concessions during his meeting with Bush. But the entire deal is likely to spark much more debate and change before finalization,” a Pakistani officials told Friday Times.
The report adds that the 36 aircraft, which are a part of the deal, did not have EW capabilities, which would increase the power of Pakistan’s radar warning receiver (RWR).Also the aircraft would only be able to identify non-Nato enemies. The Pakistani official said that if any NATO aircraft were involved in the battle it would be tough to detect them.
Relations between the US and Pakistan have soured recently, because the US thinks Pakistan is not doing enough to hunt down Osama bin Laden. Pakistan maintains that it is helping the US in every way it can.
Will these result in more FC-1 or J-10 procure from China?
I think it will result in acceleration of FC-1 development and even evolvement…
Showtime 100Yes, exactly the same. We rolled over Iraq and lost 187 dead. We have lost a lot more since then, but nothing like the 50,000 we lost in Vietnam fighting a defensive war. And yes, we are going to pull out of Iraq, but there will be an elected Iraqi government when we leave. I doubt the fighting will have stopped, but it will be fought amongst the Iraqis by then. The object was not to occupy either Vietnam or Iraq, it was to set up a democratic government in Iraq, or to defeat the communists in Vietnam. The insurgents in Iraq can’t occupy Bagdad with IEDs. Inflicting a trickle of casualties is not the same thing as having a viable army. The Iraqi people don’t like the insurgents.
Let me rephase the highlighted one,’The object was not to occupy either Vietnam or Iraq, it was to set up a puppet government in Vietnam in the name of democracy,loyal to USA.Same as Iraqi,having a lackey government to continue allow US company to drill Iraq oil without distraction!’.
I think that phase will suit more international reader in here! :diablo:
Showtime 100I think this discussion is enough! What are you trying to prove ,Flogger?
China cannot built a modern warplane completely by itself? China needs foreign assitance on its modern warplane? So what it is true?
China is not going to stop there or stagnant of its modernisation just becos of yr personal opnion and also not becos of those racism people of China…
China has a plan to become superpower and it is moving in the right direction,from a poor country in 20 yrs ago to world largest foreign reserves and 4th largest ecom,it is not going to stop just u think it cannot achieve anything breakthru by you.. It takes many yrs to build a indigenious modern warplane,deosn’t mean the next plan will take equally long time. China is growing ang progressing every min and every second and is at a terrific pace which no other country can match at the moment. :diablo:
Showtime 100054A ready to launch,this time is using VLS air defense missile
Showtime 100the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OEifbmGkQU
:rolleyes:
Very good,they r already doing some rocket pod and iron bomb firing… Although definitely not the first flight,such exercise has show the progress of the aircaft! 😀
Showtime 100Anybody know what engines r they using for Shafaqh??
Showtime 100By that definition, 90 of all the world’s navies are a waste of space. All you need to fight militants are some assault ships. You don’t even need carriers as fast jets are not that effective against insurgents anyways, attack helos are far more effective. But then, Navies don’t exist to fight militants do they?.
When did I say world navies r a waste of space? Is that yr definition?? LOL.. Don need carriers? Then u expect every combat aircraft t have a combat radius of 10,000km? Aircraft carriers r mobile airfield to allow yr combat aircraft to strike yr enemy far away from yr own territories.
By the same vein, MBTs are not designed to fight militants, so its hardly suprising that they are not doing that great a job of it. However, only fools would think that militants are the only threat to the world’s nations. Other nations still pose the greatest threat by far, and you can’t hope to win a land war against another modern army if you don’t have capable MBTs while the other side does.
Imagine MBT facing a militants who armed with AK-47 and oldies RPG! Who will win?? MBT have relegate to the role of fighting poor equip militants which is a hard fact! But MBT facing a highly train operator of ATGM will be a different story.Heavy APC Achzarit is using a Merkava body meaning it provide equal armour protection except it don have the bulky turret and offer cheaper operating fees.BTW,in modern warfare context,u don need a MBT to kill a MBT. If I don have modern MBT but facing a modern MBT,I will have Attack helo on standby and using ATGM to knock them out.Or my amoury too have ATGM on standby in case the helo cant complete the job! But most cases ,such scenario is unlikely cos air campaign of using PGM of deep strike into enemies territories shall have already destroy buky of their MBT! Ground troops merely went in to pick up the pieces…
In Kosovo, the air campgne did far less damage to serb units then anyone in the west thought possible, and it was only the threat of a NATO ground offensive that forced the removel of Molosovic.
Air campaign demoralish the serbs,cutting them off from the rest of the world and result the removal of Molosovic. Serb r too good in using fake tank decoy and decept and wasted many Coalition PGM. This is tatic failure and not usage failure…. Using air force to pound yr enemies too stone age is the correct choice but Serbs r too cuning!
Blitzkerig, as first used by the Germans in WWII is the perfect counter-example to what you just said! They easily defeated far superior enemy armoured units. And thoughout the war, German Panzer divisions ruled in land because of the superior MBTs.
Blitzkerig is obsolete and patient using of airpower of gaining air supremacy is the 21st modern wafare tatics. Using Air PGM to pound yr enemies of whatever advantages to them is the best solution to reduce casualties of yr side and win the war easily!
Considering what a hard time MBTs are having against ATGMs and RPGs, it would be stupid to send in even lighter armoured IFVs to try and do the same role! You’d get hugely increased looses as the armour of almost all IFVs offer zero chances of surviving direct hits by even decade old ATGMs never mind modern weapons.
The Israeli have come up with the best solution to what the best anti-insurgent fighting armoured unit should be – a massively armoured MBT designed to take hits from ATGMs and survive. Maybe a better design might be a IFV armoured like modern MBTs but with anything up to half a dozen romote operable turrets instead of a main gun for the troops in the back to operate. This should provide far better all round anti-personel coverage then any MBT or IFV and would offer the crew the protect of the Merhava4 if not better, to take the inevatable ATGM hits and survive.
In the chenya war 2,the Russia using artillery and PGM to win the rebel. Whenever they have clear up an area,they will send in fast mechanised armour to pick up the pieces and set up artillery bridgade and start pounding the next area again. They Key is having the patient and proceed slowly inch by inch after each pounding,casualties r low and rebels were rooted out! While for the Israel-Lebanon situation,Israel r desperate and making the same mistake just like Russia of of Chenya war 1.. Sending in amrour unit hastily….
Showtime 100Regarding those who claim the end of the tank… what exactly do they propose will replace it? It has evolved from a protected mobile MG position that can support troops to very large, very well protected, heavy gun weapon system. A mobile vehicle able to deliver heavy HE charges on targets at relatively close range will always been a requirement. Using missiles or rockets is just too expensive and takes up too much space for combat persistance.
MBT is obsolete and need no replacement just like battleship of WWII. Tatics change and modern warfare of the 21st century need no MBT. Why MBT still exists today,cos of the fact nowdays costant warfare is more of fighting militants,a group of loosely equip soldiers who totally lacked modern light weight weaponery to fight those armoury! While in these case,Hezboallah r hardly a militants but in fact a highly organise and modern military organisation with well-fund and modern weaponery once again prove MBT r obsolete in Modern warfare.
In fact ,it is the US who set the standard of modern warfare of the 21st century by using raw airpower to subdue the enemeies. In Gulf war 1,the coalition airpower basically use airpower to overwhelm the Iraqi by blinding it network using PGM on its radar,CAC HQ,communication,network then going into its hardware of weaponery of armour,aircraft,air defense,warship,weaponery storage and facilites. Simply bombed its enemies into stone age soldiers. Making them a loosely organise militants with no modern weaponery and support! Armour support by attack chopper moved in basically just to occupied the territories with search and destroy mission.
Sum up in modern warfare. Both countries bascially just have a airfight first to exhaust each other and awaits the winner of the aerial combat before taking the next step.
Blitzkerig of aerial and armour moves in together is only successful when fighting a very inferior adversaries like the Iraqi arm forces of 2003,an armed forces who suffer 10yrs of arm sanction and decaying equipment. In fact,i will see old Iraqi armed forces of 2003 more of a militants than a convention armed forces! Why need a MBT when airpower will do all the main assault job?
I personally reccomend a heavy APC maybe seen as a solution for ground assault. The ground forces just need to send in troops to root out the remaining stubborn enemies. Heavy APC like Achzarit which is much lighter than MBT,cheaper to maintain and operate will provide the solution. Modern armour merely relegate to the role of taxi of ground battlefield. Achzarit form the first line with attack chopper closely nearby the act as immediate reaction team of destroy adversaries follow by normal APC like M113 or Pirahna AWPC will form the neccesary armour combo of the future.. Who needs heavyfirepower from the ground unit when the airpower is doing all the job? No sense countries will send in armour to do the main assault job!
Showtime 100ROC HF-3 combine with Harpoon on Perry class frigate???
Showtime 100Tank has long lost its supremacy to anti-tank missiles. I think this applies not only to Merkava 4 but any other modern tanks like M1A2,Leopard A6 ……
Showtime 100Poor shark… another victim of PS scheme!! 😀 😀 😀
Showtime 100C-602 missile… Seen on DDG 170 and 171???
Showtime 100Which bit in the LCA is left that is exclusively indian?? maybe the spray paint ( i bet even that is produced by ICI).
Looks like by the time LCA takes to the air it would be less indiginous than the Al Khalid tank of Pak. But it is good to see indians finally concede defeat and accept outside help -we all knew it was beyond their capabilities anyway.
Come on!! Everybody need to take their first step in walking! Good to see India at least making progress on the project rather than stalling it. In near future,fully indigenous MCA produced by India will be a reality… 🙂
Btw,how much will each Rafales costs? I believe it may prove too expensive for India to buy in bulk!
Showtime 100What does this got to do with Military Aviation?
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