Showtime 100If the Russians want to know about the British nuclear stockpile, they should get their information from Britain.
Yup, its funny how people defend USA decision and very clearly from the article UK is very reluctant to disclose their actual stockpile to Russian.
A betrayal is a betrayal.
Showtime 100No other nations in the world has this system where strategic missiles are shared and pooled like this. It would be naive for the UK Government to think that the US would not count ALL the pooled Tridents under this new treaty. The whole treaty relies on transparency and verification therefore these essentially export Tridents should be counted.
It proves to the Russians that the US is serious and that no hidden cache of launch platforms are being stockpiled in the UK. The transparency backed up by the resumption of on-site inspections is the only way that the treaty will be kept alive and functioning. The alternative is that there is no treaty and each side spirals into an uncontrolled nuclear arms race.
TJ
Britain is sad that they are betrayed by the American 🙁
American only care about their interest. The disclosure will put UK at a big risk when facing Russia in a stand off.
Showtime 100Same old story, probably by the same old analysis.
“There’s no way China could come up with anything original, everything they do come up with is cobbled together from technology they begged, borrowed and stole from the honest, hardworking white man, who is the real source of all things new and original.”
Actually, all the content of article is still ok.
Surprisely, the one who accuse J-20 copying is a Chinese(ROC) 😮
Showtime 100[QUOTE=PParker;1693158]
Except its utter nonsense.
No one has ever complaint about Chinese after sales support, so where does this ‘perception’ come from?
/QUOTE]You think the Chinese are going to be open and up front about complaints? I sure don’t.
Must say though if their military goods are anything like thier commercial goods then there is alot of room for improvement, to say the least.
If China is not open, surely the customer will say something…
Remember Royal Malaysia Air Force and Algeria Air Force for their Mig-29??
Showtime 100Pakistan , Egypt and Sri Lanka can be catagorize as China’s Traditional market. My comment was to answered Hammer questions whether China’s products can do well in China’s ‘non-traditional’ export market.
Please tell me if China’s defense products already doing well in the Big ‘non-tradtional’ market like Brazil or Turkey for instances ?? If China still have difficulty to enter Small ‘non-traditional’ market like Indonesia…can it’s going to do well in the ‘Richer’ defense market like Brazil or Turkey..??
Up now China defense products selling well in the trditional market. However the question from Hammer that I’m try to answered is whether China can breack through to ‘non-traditional’ market.
And I’m simply said that present record show China still have difficulty breaking to ‘new’ market outside China’s traditional ones, and one of the reasons is the perception from some of those market on China’s quality and after-sell reliability.
That’s what China need to adress..and no matter how much you said otherwise in the Internet..will not change those market perceptions.
Didn’t yr armed force buy C-802 antiship missiles? :rolleyes:
I can assure you , more will come.
Hopefully, TNI do not hold the same view like you. 😉
Can tell me what China quality and after sell reliability you have seen?
I can tell you. There are a few new market open beside the traditional market. Morocco purchase China MBT-2000 MBT,Algeria Navy on China OPV, Venezula purchase K-8 and Nigeria on J-7 aircraft series. More will come, not to worry.
Ohh.. Something to add and sorry to disappoint you. Turkey has purchase some WS-1 MLRS rocket from China and rename it differently under their armed force. You can try google it. 😉
Showtime 100Who’s talking about F-16 and MMRCA…I’m talking about Indonesian LIFT contest. Are you saying that F-16 now comparable to FC-2000 and L-15 ??
Oooo..welll :diablo:
He’s saying yr assessment view regarding China military equipment advancement is totally wrong. 😉
Its funny you claim C-802 barely make the mark but yr armed forced bought it.:eek:
Or are you trying to imply TNI is some sub standard arm forces?
Its been in used in many armed force and was highly regard. Btw, the C-802 is not even the best in China inventory.
I hoped you don’t sprout rubbish in this thread. You might end up with a wounded pride if yr armed force end up buying FC-1 , F-22P frigate or L-15. :diablo:
Showtime 100Maybe a bit off-topic, just my 2 cents question:
Have anyone heard of China had ever been promoting Submarine products for export after 1990s?
If my observation on China arm sales is correct, China only export products which had been open exhibited in international defense Expoes.
yes, Song class sub were promoted.. Royal Thai Navy seems interested..
Showtime 100I have no idea where this notion of bad after sales support for Chinese products comes from.
I have never heard of the Pakistanis, Egyptians, Sri Lankans or anyone else how has bought Chinese weapons complain about poor after sales support.
On the contrary, it is often the Russians that are blamed for having bad after sales support.
Yup.. Ask Malaysian or Algeria on their Mig-29. Its a horrible sales after all.
But Malaysian are force to do sales with Russia again as they do not want to buy from USA due to failure to release of source code for offensive strike.
Showtime 100whats wrong with Pakistan and Iran?
I am not trying to belittle these 2 countries.
While my assessment is same as Rookh. Jumping from merely operating normal J-7 series to a big jump of 5G need extensive logistic support and training.
Plus do they have the budget in the first place? You need a decent number to form a strong deterent. Or you expect them to have a 3-4 pieces :rolleyes:
Showtime 100Its funny how people here talk abt China export their prize J-20..
To even countries like Pakistan and Iran??? They think J-20 is some cheap J-7 series aircraft. :rolleyes:
Anyway, China military product has many types of catergories cater for many different type of customers. Poor customer will get poor product. Rich customer will get better one.
Don’t tell me you have peanuts and want Prada? Some people are ridiculous in their demand. End of the day, its about making money. Unless its some special strategic moves, concession might be make regarding the prices.
Showtime 100Stealth jet team proves its metal
Stephen Chen
Jan 15, 2011 SCMP.com
Metallurgist Shi Changxu won a top national science award yesterday for his contribution to the development of high-performance jet engines – three days after the first public test flight of the mainland’s J-20 stealth fighter plane.
Professor Shi, former director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Metal Research in Shenyang, developed several families of top-secret, heat-resistant alloys, according to mainland scientists working on jet engines.
The secret alloys were developed decades ago, but because jet engine metals take a long time to test, Shi’s alloys have only recently begun to be used in the mainland’s jet engines.
In 1955, Shi left his teaching post at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and boarded a ship for the East. He was one of 30 or so Chinese scientists held by the United States government to prevent them from returning to communist China. Shi left the US about the same time as Qian Xuesen, a rocket scientist from the California Institute of Technology, who later founded the Chinese space programme.
After he landed in Shanghai, Shi was immediately sent to Shenyang, a heavy industry base in the northeast province of Liaoning, to boost steel production. Beijing’s relationship with Moscow then soured rapidly and the Russians stopped helping their old ally develop fighter jets. The military turned to Shi for help.
With hard work, genius and luck, Shi not only came up with the required alloys using the traditional approach he learned in the West, but also devised something entirely new.
The laboratory performance of the new alloys was so good that no one dared to use them. For safety concerns, plane designers stuck with traditional alloys for China’s mass-produced jet engines, whose performance lagged significantly behind their overseas counterparts.
Shi’s alloys then began a long march for industrial acceptance. Only recently, with their application in some of the mainland’s most advanced fighter jets such as the J-20, have designers fully accepted them.
Professor Zhang Lanting, from the school of materials science and engineering at Shanghai Jiaotong University, said the mainland’s aviation material science sector had been waiting too long for this award.
Some people thought China did not have the materials to make high-performance jet engines, but they were wrong, Zhang said.
“The fact is, we have lots of top-quality materials, but to convince plane designers to use them we need to test it for decades – normally 30 years – for absolute safety,” he said. “Within 10 years Chinese engines will begin to replace foreign ones in the civilian sector. In the military sector the replacement has already begun.”
Professor Wu Suojun, a specialist in new materials at Beihang University, China’s top aviation research institute, said the mainland was quickly narrowing the technological gap with the world’s leading engine makers.
“With the successful test flight of the J-20 and other new planes, it is time to reward the heroes behind the scenes,” Wu said.
Showtime 100Well firstly, my comments were never directly at you, apologies if you thought they were. There were a lot a negative comments posted, and I was not petty enough to keep score and just used a few examples ottomh.
Secondly, it might be an interesting exercise to have a look at the various Jane’s ‘scoops’ from Russians sources regarding Chinese projects over the years to see how many of those ‘predictions’ actually panned out and how many turned out to be pure Russian disinformation or plain wishful thinking.
I do not rate Jane’s at all when it come to Chinese military matters, and I am far from the only one.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for CAC to give any Russians any inside access to what is a direct competitor to the Russian PAK-FA. The Russians had not made much to interest the Chinese for quite some time now. The last time the Chinese accepted Russian help on one of their projects was probably a minimum amount of consultation on AL31 integration on the J10, and look how some Russians sources have been milking that to make it look like they were a critical part of the J10 project. I somehow doubt CAC has overlooked or forgotten about that.
There simply is no reason why the Russians would know any more about the J20 than anyone else, and for them to claim to know what the prototypes are made of is simply not credible.
My inclusion of that piece of information is mainly because of the very great possibility that those ‘sources’ are simply doing what the Russians have been doing for years now – bashing Chinese projects any way they can as they are starting to realize that Chinese products are becoming capable enough to be a serious challenge to the very best they can offer and so they are resorting to smear tactics to try and get a advantage on any potential export deals. And Jane’s seem to not be able to learn from their past mistakes and keep airing these baseless and frequently completely wrong Russian claims.
I bet Jane also like the way Russian do it. They will never learn cos they wanted to report it that way. 😡
Showtime 100F-117, black. still can see the bay
That is the reason why its a bad first generation stealth bomber. Big gap and obvious bay hatch…:D
It has retired from USAF,right? 😉
The F-22 photo you posted, show the bay hatch line to be very smooth and blend in just right. Imagine F-22 is painted black, do you think you still can spot its hatch from that angle?
Showtime 100show us the bay then
The J-20 is coated with dark green RAM which makes it very hard to see the bay hatch. The hatch and main airframe is aline so smoothly with very little gap to reduce RCS. Unless its super close up view of it,most likely you will not see it.
F-22 is painted with light grey on belly, of cos you can catch the hatch position easily.
Showtime 100Mod Edit: Personal insult removed. This J-20 definitely has a center belly weapon bay to house ammunition.
First people doubt Chinese can make a 5th gen in such short time.
When prototype appear, they doubt its the real thing and even claim it just mock up.
Suddenly , it can moves and doing hi speed taxi trial
People claim they doubt this thing can fly and is just gimmick, running around airfield to do publicity stunt.
Then it start to fly and people claim it has no weapon bay.
How many times you want the Chinese to prove you wrong??? :rolleyes:
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