dont we alreay have a couple of threads on this?

as to the question of why we dont have pics. as pinko said, all chinese nuclear boats are built at huludao, which is a remote island, which only have a handful of civilians living on it, and is in the middle of nowhere. its not like all the other chinese shipyards which are build along china’s rivers. there is no shipping line going anywhere near the huludao shipyard; there are no bridges overlooking it; there is nowhere for ‘planespotters’ to sit and take shots from long range…

the only way any of us is going to see a pic coming out of there is if it was officially released, or if an employee took a pic and leaked it. neither are even remotely likely.

personnally, i would expect the employees to be searched before and after work, and i seriously doubt many ppl working at the shipyard will have a mobile never mind an internet connection. in fact, i wouldnt be suprised if they needed to ask for special permission and have a minder with them if they wanted to leave the island. 😮

just look at how wrong the pentegon got the timing. the boat was in the water nearly a whole year ahead of when they expected it. based on that, i doubt even they will have any pics of the thing.

Hey! Don’t ever think of espionage in china! The penalty for being caught is DEATH-face gun squad!

Mar 2003 invasion of Iraq. Iraqis started lobbing Silkworms from Umm Qusar at Kuwait City and still managed to get thru. Goes to show how difficult it is to intercept cruise missiles despite a full alert status (and these are just Styx copies fired at random).

Not only get through but totally undetected… 😉

What kind of bomb is that? 340kg free fall Iron bomb?

… purchase long range missiles or nukes???

I seriously doubt the possibilities of that! Who’s willing to sell legally?
:confused:

The document on the other hand is very badly worded, but i always thought it was done intentionally by the US so that the situation can be manipulated later… anyways the agreement still hold and Japan according to the agreement shouldn’t develope offensive weapon… not that it couldent!

They don’t need to buy,Japan has the capabilities to produce their own!

just had a glance at the newest AFM mag which had a section on zhuhai04.

– officals at the show confired that there are two JH7 regs operational (one testing and one combat). with the PLANAF taking deliveries of more. it is also stating that the PLAAF is also taking deliveries.

on a related note, officals are comfirming that the JH7A is powered by the ‘qinling’ – a 100% domestically produced sprey turbofan.

With PLAAF accepting JH7A.Does this mean PLAAF consider JH7A almost on par with SU-30Mkk?

Cruise missiles r Hard to counter even the US who is consider to possess some of the most advance sensor failed to detect obsolete cruise missiles!
Gulf War 2 is a v good example! Below is a text from US Joint Force Staff colleage abt LACM threat to US.

Japan is protected by US.Why need to have nuclear and ICBM when US will destroy any country who dare to fire ballistic missiles into land of Japan! That is the sole reason why even dictator like Kim ll has to think twice of using nuclear and ballistic missile on South Korean and Japan.

KUALA LUMPUR, July 20 (Bernama) — Malaysia has agreed in principle to purchase medium-range surface-to-air missiles from China and in return China will transfer its technology in very short-range air defence system to Malaysia.

Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said the procurement would be made under the 9th Malaysia Plan (2006-2009) as part of the continous Armed Forces Modernisation Programme.

“Details of the procurement and offset programme will be finalised later should Malaysia give its full commitment,” he told a news conference after witnessing the signing of the Memorandum of Understanding on the matter.

China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) is offering the FN-6 very short-range air defence system to Malaysia should the country purchase its KS-1A, the medium-range surface-to-air missiles.

FN-6, the shoulder-launched missile, has an engagement range capability of 6km and altitute range of 4km while KS-1A, while the vehicle-launched missile has an engagement range of 50km and altitude range of 27km.

The industrial offset programme of the FN-6 offered to Malaysia is inclusive of special test facilities, universal equipment, special tools, manufacturing process document, training and technical support, and capable of an annual output of 100 FN-6 missiles.

The MoU was signed between CPMIEC, SME Ordance Sdn Bhd, the local company to implement the offset programme, and Aneka Bekal Sdn Bhd, a local agent that promoted the programme.

Over the past couple of years, the Armed Forces have been evaluating medium-range surface-to-air missiles and shortlisted the BUK-M1-2 from Russia, SAMP/Aster 30 from France, MIM-23B Improved Hawk and Hawk-Amraam from United States and KS-1A from China.

The medium-range surface-to-air missiles are crucial for reinforcing the layer between short-range air defence systems and manned air combat aircraft.

Malaysia had procured very short-range air defence systems from Russia and Pakistan as well as a short-range air defence missile system from United Kingdom for its air defence requirement during the 8th Malaysia Plan (2001-2005).

The president of CPMIEC, Prof Wang Bingyan, said China had ofered to conclude the KS-1A transaction on flexible payment terms, including counter-trade, barter and deferred payments.

Malaysia is currently focussing on developing its defence technologies towards achieving greater self-reliance as it did not want to remain merely as a consumer of foreign defence technologies.

The MoU was signed by Prof Wang for CPMIEC, Senior Vice President SME Ordnance Sdn Bhd Gen (Rtd) Datuk Seri Mohd Sharom Nordin and Chairman of Aneka Bekal Datuk Muhammad Hamzah.

Also present were Army Chief Gen Datuk Pahlawan Mohd Azumi Mohamed and China’s Ambassador to Malaysia, Wang Chungui.

— BERNAMA

I’m wondering how KS-1A beat so many competitor?

Becos of Barter trade? Transfer of low attitude weapon technology? Cheaper price? By the way,on some info abt this KS-1A it surprisingly uses active phase array radar which is a new and advance in its class! Does anybody got more info on this SAM and how it is compare to other class of SAM? Could it be another PLZ-45 case?